If you knew for a fact that life ceased to exist after death, how would you live your life now?

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

The order to kill infidels and Jews is DEFINITELY in the Koran.

Just for reference, can you tell me were this is in the Qu’ran, that is which Sura it is in?

 

[Scaun]

If there is no resurrection of the dead then “let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die”, as Paul said*.

** in 1 Corinthians 15:32 quoting part of Isaiah 22:13*

 

[LutheranDK]

Everyone is in a different journey to seek God…even atheists. To think differently would be ignorant. God loves all of his children.

Correction: God loves EVERYONE, not only His children.
Non-Christians are not children of God. Scripture gives us no support in saying otherwise.

 

[LutheranDK]

I find truly hysterical the posts on the first page that say, basically, “I’d become a master criminal and steal lots of money!”

Such claims depend on the assertion that the only thing currently keeping you from doing such things is your belief in a supernatural entity who will punish you – and not your personal character, your values, your fear of being caught for such actions, your complete ineptitude at theft, or any combination thereof.

The fact of the matter is that whether or not there’s a god is irrelevant to questions of law and order. Whether there’s a god or not, nobody wants to live in a society where stealing and murder and rape happen all the time, and we all value living in a society where there are safeguards in place for personal privacy and choices and autonomy.

As a result, the laws of the land and our systems of crime and punishment are always going to be pretty consistent, regardless of whether or not people believe in gods. Keep in mind that the US government is a secular government – its government is “not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion,” to quote the Treaty of Tripoli, signed under John Adams in 1797 – and it still has laws and order like any other country.

Governments – at least secular ones – don’t derive their authority from supernatural beings. They derive their authority from the consent of the governed, from “we the people.” That’s why governments have power and why laws are created and enforced – because of the social contract, not magical beings.

Well, I happen to not believe in any gods, and I have no problem defining good and evil in ways that are fairly easily understood by others, so methinks you might have to give your position a little more thought here.

A good start would be studying systems of moral philosophy, including the numerous non-theistic systems of morality.

I see what you’re saying - but you still fail, on account of the fact that nothing you’ve explained here deals with establishing the VALIDITY of morality, only the USEFULNESS of it. And the fact that those two are NOT one and the same should not be ignored.

Basically, you can tell us what the consequences of breaking laws backed by the force of government will be - and you’d be right. But you CANNOT tell us why those laws are just in the first place. Unless you believe that whatever any particular government makes into “law” is good and just, but I doubt you’re willing to do that.

 

[1234]

The order to kill infidels and Jews is DEFINITELY in the Koran. The stonings and honor killings are part of Sharia law and Arab culture.

Quote it, with sources, in the Koran. The stonings, etc. are part of rural tribal communities in the hinterlands of Pakistan and Afghanistan. They are not prevalent in other Muslim nations, such as Turkey, or Indonesia, the largest muslim country.