If your solution to mass shootings are controlling access to firearms, you're looking in the wrong place

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The short version is that we didn’t have mass shootings until 1966, or one generation after the Scope’s monkey trial allowed the teaching of evolution, and the corresponding decline in Christian ideologies as the foundational underpinning of the US moral life.

The further removed from teaching a universal morality to our school students and subsequently upheld in our secular institutions, the faster the decline we have experienced.

The murderer at last Sunday’s church shooting was atheist and evil. I’m not suggesting all atheists are evil, just him. But he did proclaim atheism, which at it’s root is centered around man as the highest power.

Secondly, and I have not heard this mentioned by a main stream news source, is that Antifa had called for a revolutionary uprising last weekend in order to overthrow the government. They proudly proclaim being anti-government and anti-religion. While to the best of my knowledge there hasn’t been a connection between their call for murder of their opponents and the church shooting, he did strongly profess their ideas.

And so, this mass shooting like all mass shootings is not about the guns, but evil in the hearts of the perpetrator.

Your comments are welcome.
 
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The short version is that we didn’t have mass shootings until 1966, or one generation after the Scope’s monkey trial allowed the teaching of evolution, and the corresponding decline in Christian ideologies as the foundational underpinning of the US moral life.

The further removed from teaching a universal morality to our school students and subsequently upheld in our secular institutions, the faster the decline we have experienced.

The murderer at last Sunday’s church shooting was atheist and evil. I’m not suggesting all atheists are evil, just him. But he did proclaim atheism, which at it’s root is centered around man as the highest power.

Secondly, and I have not heard this mentioned by a main stream news source, is that Antifa had called for a revolutionary uprising last weekend in order to overthrow the government. They proudly proclaim being anti-government and anti-religion. While to the best of my knowledge there hasn’t been a connection between their call for murder of their opponents and the church shooting, he did strongly profess their ideas.

And so, this mass shooting like all mass shootings is not about the guns, but evil in the hearts of the perpetrator.

Your comments are welcome.
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My only comment is that we serioisly have way more than enough discussions about gun control going on here already and the last thing we need is more of the same.

No offence intended to you, you just have the bad luck to be the last in a very long and wearisome line.
 
I greet with great skepticism anyone who doesn’t think gun control is ONE PART of the solution to the massive and complex issue of gun violence.
 
Why are guns and rifles and assault arms necessary? If noone had a gun or a rifle or assault arm, why would there be a need for any of them? For those who uses other ‘weapons’ ??
 
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If noone had a gun or a rifle or assault arm, why would there be a need for any of them?
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it puts food on the table.

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the criminal element will always want an edge. having a gun when no one else has one is a huge edge. the black market will always provide a product where is an earnest desire for it.

we need it to take away the criminal’s edge. the police have no constitutional duty to protect no matter what anyone tell’s you. the scotus settled this. this is why one needs a gun
 
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I’m not for strict gun control laws, but I’m curious what you think about the fact that countries even more secular than our own have far less mass shootings if any. Do you have more evidence for the claim that the teaching of evolution introduced mass shootings to the U.S.?
 
I agree but the US does have gun control already so logically, not changing anything is being in favour of gun control. Do you mean you are criticising those not wanting to discuss strengthening gun laws or not wanting to discuss enforcing current gun laws or those not wanting to acknowledge and discuss current gun laws?

The way I see it, people are only too ready to discuss gun laws but on their own terms.

Sorry, I know I am being a bit pedantic, I am not wanting to criticise your valid comment, only to understand it better.

Thanks.
 
Making it harder for criminals and the mental ill to get powerful guns is not the same as taking guns away from everyone else wanting to defend themselves.
 
Exactly what laws are these types of people going to follow? The church shooter was a felon…
 
Nope, just an interesting correlation. As we stopped teaching the 10 Commandments as a national focus we have fallen away from the morality they represent.
 
From a conceptual point of view that is correct. As they say though, the devil is in the details. We already don’t allow mentally ill who have been involuntarily committed to an institution to purchase a gun.

The problem with deepening those laws is determining who gets to decide what constitutes mental illness and what threshold will be used to measure. Ultimately our founders realized a corrupt gov’t will always come up with “a valid reason” to disarm their population.
 
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