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It’s not against the law not to report an illegal, but lets please not make this thread about whether the law itself is moral or not…there are other threads for that.
Conversely, the law allows you to do a lot of very immoral things. You can stand by and watch someone drown, and the law doesn’t compel you to stoop over and drop them a rope, and maybe save their life.

So when we see a stranger in our midst washing dishes for long hours in a restaurant or picking lettuce in a field, we can either serve Caesar, or serve Jesus, but we can’t serve both masters.
 
Conversely, the law allows you to do a lot of very immoral things. You can stand by and watch someone drown, and the law doesn’t compel you to stoop over and drop them a rope, and maybe save their life.

So when we see a stranger in our midst washing dishes for long hours in a restaurant or picking lettuce in a field, we can either serve Caesar, or serve Jesus, but we can’t serve both masters.
Except this isn’t a time where unemployment is at its lowest. Americans need work, but they cannot because many illegals have taken their job.

and before you throw out the “Americans won’t work for that low a pay” first I know many Americans who work for that pay (I live in a farming community) and second it’s easy to say that when illegals drive down the wages for those low-skilled jobs.
 
Our own bishops will be breaking Caesar’s law when they refuse to do the bidding of the HHS bureaucrat ideologues.
They were all for government forced health care until the contraception issue came up.
Will the bishops be wrong and ought we to point our accusatory fingers at them, too?
Yes. The USCCB openly supports illegal immigration, an arbitrary, confiscatory tax system, gun control and a host of other left-wing causes.

If they don’t want an accusatory finger pointed at them, they should stop making political statements.
 
They were all for government forced health care until the contraception issue came up.

Yes. The USCCB openly supports illegal immigration, an arbitrary, confiscatory tax system, gun control and a host of other left-wing causes.

If they don’t want an accusatory finger pointed at them, they should stop making political statements.
First of all, the bishops have a duty to make pastoral statements; that you personally may adhere to political leanings is no reason to think that the bishops, your spiritual leaders, are making political statements when their pastoral messages conflict with your particular politics. The bishops don’t call for the things you accuse them of. Instead, they present the Christian perspective to our society on pressing issues and leave it to whomever listens to heed their wise counsel. You should give it a try sometime.
 
However you should try and find out if he is here illegally and encourage him to try and come back here legally, cause what he is doing is wrong.
Tell that to the jewish who fled german hands during world war 2. Have you seen the state of mexico as well as other south american countries? The cartels are out of control and killing people/raping people/beating people/forcing people to run drugs and guns for them. Many people are feeling this kind of life. Not all are directly targeted or victimized because of this. But because of those reasons, many people are trying to leave and make a better life for themselves and their family. They have every right to come to this country. Amnesty is the christian response to all those seeking a better life. It was welcome when all the white europeans like myself were coming here to settle and make a new life (well except for we Irish I suppose, we had it rough but what else is new). I know full well what civil laws say but we should approach every civil law with an examination of conscience and apply morality to every aspect of our life. I doubt very much Christ would turn these people away.
 
Let’s say hypothetically that I had a recently-made friend who is a great person but whom I had reason to believe was in this country (USA) illegally. Would I be obligated under pain of mortal sin to report him according to the teachings of the Church? I really wouldn’t want to…
I hope you’re joking. Remember that God’s law comes before man’s law. People have a right to survive. That’s merely what they are doing. That’s like expecting an employee to never have a moment of slack during their work hours. Not everyone works exactly the same. We are all unique. If that person slacked noticabely, and you chose to report them, you might be guilty of hurting their family, children and wife. They may be under a tremendous amount of stress and that is really why the coworker is having difficulty focusing at work. I believe it would be sinful to “report” the individual. But you would have to speak to your priest about that. As far as “illegal immigrant” is concerned, some of them are not here because they chose to be. Their parents may have drug them here for good reasons. My wife teaches many that are from such conditions. Unless they are committing a real crime, then you have no business “reporting” them in my opinion. But that is your choice. Choose a side.
 
Let’s say hypothetically that I had a recently-made friend who is a great person but whom I had reason to believe was in this country (USA) illegally. Would I be obligated under pain of mortal sin to report him according to the teachings of the Church? I really wouldn’t want to…
I don’t like this comment either, so that means someone could drive on the opposite side of the road because it’s bureaucratic and not moral (even though they will get themselves and others killed).

If we get to pick and choose which laws we find moral and laws we are going to follow, then that of course means everyone can pick and choose laws they want to follow. Just because you do not agree with the law does not mean it is moral to disregard it. I could find following the laws in your country, just a bunch of bureaucratic who-ha, does that mean it is moral for me to break them? My answer is no.

It’s not against the law not to report an illegal, but lets please not make this thread about whether the law itself is moral or not…there are other threads for that.
The OP is asking whether he is under pain of mortal sin to inform on a hypothetical friend, and I’m suggesting he inform his conscience, and that part of informing it is knowing which laws are moral or not, and you think that’s a problem?🤷
 
Entering a country illegally is no longer a crime? If he is working, did he also steal a social security number? Or is he working under the table and not paying taxes?

First the OP needs to find out the status of his friend. If the guy is here legally, great. If not, then the guy is a criminal.
In the pagan Roman Empire it was a crime to be a Christian. Did neighbors have a moral obligation to report Christians?
 
Except this isn’t a time where unemployment is at its lowest. Americans need work, but they cannot because many illegals have taken their job.

and before you throw out the “Americans won’t work for that low a pay” first I know many Americans who work for that pay (I live in a farming community) and second it’s easy to say that when illegals drive down the wages for those low-skilled jobs.
The “illegals” are people, and usually they are poor and desperate people who do the **** jobs that citizens will not do, for wages that citizens will not accept, so that citizens can buy their produce, or manufactured goods, or get their house cleaned or whatever more cheaply.
 
Wow…comparing illegal immigration to the Holocaust or Slavery?
Ah, good. Then you agree that laws aren’t the highest arbiter of right and wrong, and that there are occasions when it is moral to break a law and immoral to follow it. Now we are discussing something else: the circumstances and degree to which a law is to be followed or not. If the law itself is not the determinant of right and wrong, then what is? Well, for Christians, it is the Christian faith, as rooted in the Gospel message of Jesus Christ and the teaching authority of His Church. I can’t find it, so please help me find the chapter and verse where it says “Blessed are ye when ye bully and cajole the stranger in your midst, and protect your meager share of bread from those leaner and hungrier than you.”
 
The “illegals” are people, and usually they are poor and desperate people
No, they are people that know they can earn a lot more money by violating the laws of a sovereign nation, and have no moral problem with doing so. This “poor and desperate” argument is a left-wing fallacy.
who do the **** jobs that citizens will not do, for wages that citizens will not accept,
Wrong again. Citizens are consistently underbid by illegals who artificially lower the wage scale.
 
Tell that to the jewish who fled german hands during world war 2. Have you seen the state of mexico as well as other south american countries? The cartels are out of control and killing people/raping people/beating people/forcing people to run drugs and guns for them. Many people are feeling this kind of life. Not all are directly targeted or victimized because of this. But because of those reasons, many people are trying to leave and make a better life for themselves and their family. They have every right to come to this country. Amnesty is the christian response to all those seeking a better life. It was welcome when all the white europeans like myself were coming here to settle and make a new life (well except for we Irish I suppose, we had it rough but what else is new). I know full well what civil laws say but we should approach every civil law with an examination of conscience and apply morality to every aspect of our life. I doubt very much Christ would turn these people away.
First of all the Nazi’s were invading nations and hunting down and killing Jews. Comparing illegal immigration to Shoah is the most shameful and ignorant thing someone could say.

Also try actually going down there before spouting off ignorant statements. Only the border counties are experiencing the problems you’ve listed, interior Mexico is not that bad. And many South American nations are doing just fine, as someone who is friends with a lot of S. Americans, I’m sure they appreciate you calling their homeland a real hellhole to live in. :rolleyes:

ONCE AGAIN, IN CASE SOME PEOPLE DO NOT SEE WHAT THE OP WROTE, THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER IT IS MORAL TO REPORT SOMEONE WHO MAY BE ILLEGALLY HERE TO THE AUTHORITIES, NOT ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION LAW. THERE IS ANOTHER THREAD FOR THAT GO TO THAT THREAD
 
The OP is asking whether he is under pain of mortal sin to inform on a hypothetical friend, and I’m suggesting he inform his conscience, and that part of informing it is knowing which laws are moral or not, and you think that’s a problem?🤷
No I have a problem with people saying the law is not moral. They are trying to change the subject. The OP was asking whether it was a sin NOT to report, not whether we agree with the immigration law or not. It is not a sin, in case you were wondering.
 
Wrong again. Citizens are consistently underbid by illegals who artificially lower the wage scale.
Actually, undocumented immigrants often command a higher wage than U.S. citizens do, because they are so productive, and they get paid their worth.
 
Ah, good. Then you agree that laws aren’t the highest arbiter of right and wrong, and that there are occasions when it is moral to break a law and immoral to follow it. Now we are discussing something else: the circumstances and degree to which a law is to be followed or not. If the law itself is not the determinant of right and wrong, then what is? Well, for Christians, it is the Christian faith, as rooted in the Gospel message of Jesus Christ and the teaching authority of His Church. I can’t find it, so please help me find the chapter and verse where it says “Blessed are ye when ye bully and cajole the stranger in your midst, and protect your meager share of bread from those leaner and hungrier than you.”
No I don’t agree, I find your shameful attempt to compare a nation securing its borders peacefully to deliberate acts of murder and enslavement, revolting.

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ONCE AGAIN, IN CASE SOME PEOPLE DO NOT SEE WHAT THE OP WROTE, THIS IS ABOUT WHETHER IT IS MORAL TO REPORT SOMEONE WHO MAY BE ILLEGALLY HERE TO THE AUTHORITIES, NOT ABOUT THE IMMIGRATION LAW. THERE IS ANOTHER THREAD FOR THAT GO TO THAT THREAD
 
ONCE AGAIN . . .
And maybe for the last time, you will discover that Catholics do not listen to the law for what is a sin or not. This makes politicians and ideologues unhappy, and even shout and grimace in pain, but it’s a fact. We listen to our faith for what is moral and immoral, right and wrong.
 
Golly, I married an illegal alien. Never occurred to me it might be a sin.
He had a vision that brought him to cross the border in a wheelchair . … he felt God had led him to this country. I suspect God has His own agenda, which isn’t really fixated on man’s laws. . . my husband is a legal resident now, by the way. If he hadn’t come here he would be dead by now.
I would not report anyone except a criminal.(a thief or murderer.)
 
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