I'm Debating A Calvinist

[jcld]

And again, I’m totally at a lost and come to you for help

debate.org/debates/The-Bible-Teaches-Predestination-And-Salvation-By-Faith-Alone

Well, it sure looks like the Bible says we don’t have free will and good people are made to go to heaven and bad people are made to go to hell…

POWERFUL STATEMENTS…

I. What if the person is BOTH good and bad…
Follow-up with Matthew 12:32

“[32] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world**, nor in the world to come***.”

** that is, can be a world that is not here and not in heaven… Jesus did not call the place by a name, so ( via philosophy ) we temporarily named it purgatory to be definitive here on earth ( even though we still don’t know the exact name of the place )

*** that is, heaven.

II. God created us and we have free will… Adam and Eve sinned… Disobedience is an enactment of free will…
Follow-up with Genesis 3:6

“[6] And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat.”

 

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Unless, unless, as Paul mentions, the core of the gospel is found even in nature. In which case hearing an actual missionary would not be strictly necessary, since nature itself teaches the gospel. What do Reformed think in this matter?

Here is an answer from the Westminster Confession of Faith:

Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of His will, which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord, at sundry times, and in divers manners, to reveal Himself, and to declare that His will unto His Church; and afterwards for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the Church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which makes the Holy Scripture to be most necessary; those former ways of God’s revealing His will unto His people being now ceased.

Then there is Paul’s argument from Romans 10.13-17:

*"Whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God."*

 

[jcld]

Truly sorry… This is a correction of the previous post… Thanks.

POWERFUL STATEMENTS…

I. What if the person is BOTH good and bad…
Follow-up with Matthew 12:32

“[32] And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but he that shall speak against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, nor in the world to come**.”

** that is, because one may be both good+bad, CAN be a world that is not here and not in heaven… Jesus did not call the place by a name, so ( via philosophy ) we temporarily named it purgatory to be definitive here on earth ( even though we still don’t know the exact name of the place )

II. God created us and we have free will… Adam and Eve sinned… Disobedience is an enactment of free will…
Follow-up with Genesis 3:6

“[6] And the woman saw that the tree was good to eat, and fair to the eyes, and delightful to behold: and she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave to her husband who did eat.”

 

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