I'm Leaving Catholicism & CAF

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What do you mean by a heart decision? What bothers you most? I would really like to know, if you don’t mind.
 
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I hope that Catholics choose not to mindlessly repeat mantras without any interest in the person they are speaking to because it really isn’t that hard to be interested in others, unless of course, you’re only interested in hearing yourselves speak, which I KNOW is not the case here. All the Catholics here have only the best of intentions, and just needed a nice little reminder!
 
There have even been Eucharistic miracles, including one recently in Buffalo, on Raymond Arroyo’s The World Over, it was shown bleeding after having been dropped on the floor accidentally!
 
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The Catholic Church is the only way to receive salvation. Some people may be invisibly linked to it by grace, but only the Church has the plan of salvation. It isn’t childish, it’s the truth.
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Well unfortunately much of the attack on the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Church comes from within. The liberals dissent from the teaching of Jesus on marriage, birth control, male only priesthood, even abortion. So it wouldn’t be surprising that they would not believe that the Catholic Church is the only way to receive salvation. It’s part of the false ecumenism that has creeped into the Church from the ‘spirit’ of Vatican II crowd.
 
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They submit themselves to a particular hierarchy of supermages who magically bestow supernatural powers upon their flock in rituals called sacraments.
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Rules of the forums say: “Non-Catholics are welcome to participate but must be respectful of the faith of the Catholics participating on the board. Catholics must be respectful of the legitimate religious preferences and practices of their fellow Catholics.”

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CAF is supposed to be an apologetic site. By sweepingly reporting an extremely common anti-Catholic statement that is mutually held to be true by most protestants about the Catholic Church, and is expressly anti-Catholic, you not only remove the argument against such a notion but also the entire system of apologetics. Respect does not mean that we can never be offended. Respect means that we demand respect for the Truth, by proving it. THAT, is apologetics and fair debate. Most protestants simply ARE anti-Catholic. But them being honest about that is completely respectful, though at time, unsettling. If you don’t agree, as Dr. David Anders, who is host of the popular radio and television program on EWTN, Called to Communion. In his book entitled, The Catholic Church Saved My Marriage he readily supplied that he spent most of his life anti-Catholic and it was this anti-Catholic person that became Catholic not by being told to be respectful but by evidence and arguments that he simply could not deny after coming across. Every anti-Catholic person on this website must be treated as the next potential Dr. David Anders, not as a bad person who needs to be spanked with a ruler for disrespect.
 
It’s ok to open a thread and say this is what I believe about Catholicism…let’s discuss it. It’s not ok to derail an entire thread off topic.
 
How the Eucharist works? It is a mystery but well-worth delving into. I will give it my best shot. It’s a tall order and a lot of pressure on my shoulders, but here goes:

Many protestants will claim that it is cannibalism to eat the flesh of our God. However, God does not support such behavior, so it cannot be. How can He give us to eat of His Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity? One answer is linked with Scripture and biology:

When a baby grows in its mother’s womb, the mother’s body is nourishing it. Even before the food she eats is feeding her unborn child through the placenta, which takes two weeks after conception or more to be formed, the unborn baby is directly nourished by the mother’s womb itself, and her blood is nourishing her baby. So not all giving of the body is cannibalism. Certainly not the Eucharist, but it did give pause to the disciples, who left the room when Jesus brought it up, so therefore it has to be heavy matter of discussion and not just a symbol. What is more, Jesus wants to remain with us even though He ascended into Heaven. He wants to be with us physically, not just spiritually. The Eucharist makes it possible for Him to be with us completely. This is the greatest miracle of all. A satanist who converted to Catholicism once found out about Eucharistic Adoration. His first question was, why is there not a line to get in? We get to see God! I pray you do too. God bless you.
 
I see your point. In this case, you are right. But overly, too much censorship on this site makes Catholics seem like whiners.
 
@yankeesouth No I did not join the church while doubting any major teachings I was aware of. The doubts came later. I won’t share the full story of why I joined the Catholic Church here but I did so believing the Church and more importantly the Eucharist to be true. Once I believed in the Eucharist I felt the Catholic Church would be the only church I would ever be able to join and have a chance at remaining faithful.

@CatholicDetroit Thank you for the kind words! I also wish you the best and I’m happy to talk with you and/or try to work through things at any time if you want. I don’t know much but I’m more than happy to seek answers for you if you need someone else to do so. I think it’s so important we are wiling to help each other, even when it’s not pretty and/or messy.

@Crocus Thank you also for your kindness. It means a lot. I expect ridicule when I’m honest but this thread has shown me there are people with good intentions out there even if I can’t find them in my everyday life. I keep trying and even though I feel like I’m failing, I’m hoping I never give up again and can learn to accept I am just as much wanted and loved by God as the rest of His children.

@OneSheep Hopefully this tags because it is not automatically coming up for one reason or another. I do not want to derail the thread anymore than I possibly have. I will send you a message to answer your questions. It’s been a long day so it may be tomorrow before I get to it!
 
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Unfortunately, this is the Spirituality forum, not the Apologetics forum.

Way back then, there was a pinned post that says what can and cannot be placed in this forum. It is sadly not here though, but I do remember it saying that the Spirituality forum is where Catholics can ask about spirituality and how to apply it to their lives, and if non-Catholics want to participate they have to do it respectfully.

As you can see from my post that was not removed by the moderators that quoted the removed post, this was not followed.
 
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@CatholicDetroit well, you just got to have faith that the Eucharist is real. John 6 and The Last Supper. Read about Eucharist miracles too. God bless and may the Holy Spirit guide you.
 
Jesus chooses those who are part of His Church. Each person decides whether or not to listen.
 
@CatholicDetroit , you said if you knew how the Eucharist worked, 95% of your doubt would be solved.

Please remember these words from Jesus to Thomas who initially did not believe Jesus had risen from the dead and appeared to the Disciples because he was not present then. And only after seeing Him a week later and touching His wounds did he believe.

John 20:29 RSVCE
29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have come to believe.”

Jesus is speaking of faith here. It’s so easy to accept something when your mind and in the case of the Eucharist, your 5 senses tell you something is true.

It’s not so easy when you are told something that conflicts with logic.

We are told by Jesus in the Bible that the bread and wine He has just consecrated are His Body and Blood.

We are told by our priests that the wafer we see and taste is His Body. We are told the wine we see, smell and taste is His Blood.

Yet, our logic says, “No, they aren’t Jesus. Jesus died on the Cross. He can’t die again. This wafer and this wine aren’t Him. It’s pretend. It’s a symbol. They remind us of His sacrifice on the Cross. But they’re not Jesus because they aren’t flesh and blood and they don’t taste like flesh and blood…”

Why do our minds have to rationalize everything? Because as human beings, that’s what we do. In many ways, we’re afraid to let go and trust and believe in something we can’t see.

Do you remember what I told you I experienced when I went up to receive? Do you remember my reaction? Would you or anyone else go up if they had that kind of experience? I don’t think so. That is why the crowd was so repulsed by His teaching. He was saying things that were contrary to what they believed and had been taught. They couldn’t accept it and walked away.

This is where having faith comes in. To believe without having to see proof. Without needing something validated by an explanation.

If you believe in Jesus, if you believe He is God, if you believe He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, then you must believe that He would not lie about the consecrated bread and wine being His Body and Blood.

He comes to us in so many ways. He comes to us in this way through things we easily recognize and which are palatable when ingested. Our senses recognize them. But our faith in Jesus assures us that we are receiving Him.

Not being a scientist, I can’t explain how the accidents of bread and wine remain. I just know that I believe. If Jesus says the consecrated bread and wine are His Body and Blood, they are. He doesn’t lie. He can’t. He is God.
 
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Please ponder something I’ve been devoutly pondering and discerning.
GOD ALWAYS EXISTED IN THREE STATES OF BEING AS ONE GOD.
{ETERNAL ALWAYS EXISTING LOVE}{ETERNALLY LOVES EXISTENCE}{BY EXISTING POWER TO LOVE}
“IAM THAT IAM” from Exodus.
Three states of BEING. from our point of view: HE HIMSELF AND HIM;
just as each of us are, me, myself, and I.
The True Presence;
must be reconciled with the Doctrine of IAM EXIST IAM is One in Divine Being of The Same Substance; with;
we each become in union with God & The Life of God to Love God an one another with complete self giving existence for the good of each other; Christlike, completely when purified to live the Beatific Vision.
This differs from Tau Hinduism, I think has monotheistic sects;
which teaches that the Atman(soul) becomes one with Brahman(God) fully absorbed.
I truly believe The Only Divine Witness In The Form of A Man;
Not in Form Only - The Image of The Living God;
Sets Apart, as The Ordination, Establishment, and Fulfillment for each person is completed - an in Union Portion unique for each person who receives in a state of Grace.
(We do not consume Eucharistic Miracles after they happen.)
Since we are part mind, part soul-body, and part spirit : while we can be guided
by The Holy Spirit - the only way to receive the indwelling is by a partaking in The Divinity;
body, blood, soul, spirit - transfusion. “The Spirit gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life.” - John 6:63
Our mind, soul-body, and spirit - receive Food & Drink that are Spirit.
 
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I met this “intelligent and spiritual” sounding christian,
he had some new age ideas, but i thot that he was a
sincere seeker, but then he started to blaspheme the
Roman catholic church, saying it is full of clergy who
are pedophiles and rapists. He also blasphemed God
and the Jesus, saying that God and satan are the same
person. I later found out that he was a satanist, he got
physically abusive(slapped me in the face three times)
I finally had to go to the police to slap a restraining order
against him. We should be careful who we befriend and
guard the good deposit of the Word of God and Tradition,
as well as the Magisterium. It is HARD to accept all that
the CCC teaches, but like the fact that JESUS walked on
water(Rose above the sensuality and irrationality of the
world, the flesh and the devil), so too the teaching and
example of Mother Church(the saints lives and their
testimonies) are heavenly and we are often floundering
in the waters of sin and doubts, we need to look to
Christ AND Mother Church to ask for HELP, dial a
spiritual 911.
 
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