I'm trying to start a liturgical reform/restoration

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Hello, everyone. Wow, it’s been years since I’ve posted on CA, but, here I am. Anyway…

I visited my girlfriend at Stanford University a couple weeks ago for her baptism, etc. at Easter Vigil. Since the Mass I normally attend is either a very traditional Latin NO Mass or an Anglican use Mass, I was surprised by how modern the school’s chapel Masses were. However, there’s a sizable group of orthodox Catholics who are interested in heading towards tradition, and I want to help them gravitate that way.

What are some good sources for how traditional liturgy is supposed to be done? For example, I was thinking of starting with the small stuff like bowing every time the name of Jesus is mentioned, at the “adoramus te”, a solemn bow during the Creed, kneeling at the consecration and Agnus Dei, altar servers making a full prostration… I tried to find these things in the GIRM, but the GIRM is woefully generic. I’m starting to wonder if my NO parish does these things just to make it look as close to the Tridentine as possible (which isn’t a bad thing, but still).

Other things I was thinking of was perhaps buying a thurible or set of Sanctus bells for the priest as a gift, organizing a Gregorian schola… I don’t know. What do you think?
 
In the current GIRM:
  1. A bow of the head is made when all three Persons of the Trinity are named together, at the mention of the name of Jesus, at the mention of the name of Mary, and at the mention of the name of the Saint in whose honor the Mass is celebrated.
  2. A profound bow is made during the Creed from “by the power of the Holy Spirit” up to “and became man.” On the Annunciation and Christmas, a genuflection is made instead.
  3. In the universal Church, all kneel from the epiclesis until the anamnesis. In the U.S., all kneel from the Sanctus until the Great Amen and after the Lamb of God.
 
Get a hold of a priest from either the Fraternal Society of St Peter (FSSP), or Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest. They can help you more.👍
 
I am curious how you pland to do much other than following the general GIRM rules, particularly if they are not being followed now, which would imply that the priest may be the issue. And in particular, if everyone is standing during the Consecration, you may run into a buzz saw on the issue with him.
 
Start small, and encourage likeminded folks to do the appropriate liturgical gestures with you. Make it a small grassroots movement, and then bring it to the attention of the priest.

I say this with no intened arrogance, it is my silent witness to the rubrics that caused my pastor to start bowing during the Creed. I am hoping to quietly spread the word among my friends in the parish within the next few months that the rubrics give such an instruction. Within a year, the entire parish will be doing it with no directive from the pulpit.
 
See the Society of St. John Cantius at

societycantius.org

Remember that beautiful sets of altar bells and pedestal gongs (my favorite) can be rescued from Ebay on a daily basis, often for much less than new ones. You can also find nice old thuribles, sometimes even the four-chain Orthodox versions with the bells. The same holds true for vestments and sacred vessels. It might be considered a form of simony to buy them, but at least you’re getting them off the market and into a parish that will hopefully use them.
 
Archbishop_10-K said:
… I tried to find these things in the GIRM, but the GIRM is woefully generic. I’m starting to wonder if my NO parish does these things just to make it look as close to the Tridentine as possible.
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I think you hit the nail on the head.
altar servers making a full prostration…
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I don’t think I’ve ever seen that done. Where is that prescribed?
 
ChemicalBean said:
I think you hit the nail on the head.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen that done. Where is that prescribed?
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I don’t know. But at our parish, the altar servers (yes to Thurifer2, all male, but some are full-grown men, not boys) do a sort of kowtow when the priest pronounces the words of consecration and also at the Domine non sum dignus/“Lord I am not worthy”, like in this image, except that during the Elevations, they get up to adore the Host/Chalice.

http://ourladyoflourdescatholicgifts.com/LatinMass.jpg
 
You might try also posting this in the Traditional Catholicism forum as well… if you haven’t already done so. I’m sure you will get some ideas there…

Margaret 🙂
 
Archbishop_10-K said:
Other things I was thinking of was perhaps buying a thurible or set of Sanctus bells for the priest as a gift, organizing a Gregorian schola… I don’t know. What do you think?
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there is a new thread on forming a “garage schola” check it out, I bet you are just the guy to do it.
 
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