"Imitate the saints"?

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I’ve heard a million times that we should imitate the saints, but what does this mean? Should we wake up every day hoping/praying/striving towards becoming a saint? I mean, the saints never thought they were going to become saints, so wouldn’t it be wrong to go about our days saying we’re going to become saints? What if people want to become saints for the wrong reasons?
 
Saints are those who live by the ways and precepts of the Lord.
Why in the world would you think this could be wrong, or done for the wrong reasons???

Shouldn’t we strive to do good in the world?
 
Saints are those who live by the ways and precepts of the Lord.
Why in the world would you think this could be wrong, or done for the wrong reasons???

Shouldn’t we strive to do good in the world?
For fame
 
Oh yeah, Mother Theresa was all about fame…:rolleyes:

Only the evil people of the world gain fame these days.
Go ahead try it. Be the most perfect Christian you can be…see if we read about you in the NY Times.

Fame means nothing to God. Do you think that maybe God couldn’t discern whether or not we are genuine? If we’re not genuine, we couldn’t qualify as a saint.
 
I’ve heard a million times that we should imitate the saints, but what does this mean? Should we wake up every day hoping/praying/striving towards becoming a saint?
Yes 🙂
I mean, the saints never thought they were going to become saints, so wouldn’t it be wrong to go about our days saying we’re going to become saints? What if people want to become saints for the wrong reasons?
Some people have a goal of becoming an Olympic athlete–they may or may not attain it, but even if they fail, they got somewhere on the road, no? Having as one’s goal to attain sanctity is not prideful, it is simply choosing a priority and living up to it.

Plus, it’s a good thing to do. If one’s goal is to become a saint and one fails, one will usually get to Purgatory. If a person has as a goal to get to Purgatory and fails…

And no one can attain sanctity on one’s own, we must continually ask for and accept God’s help.
 
Yes 🙂

Some people have a goal of becoming an Olympic athlete–they may or may not attain it, but even if they fail, they got somewhere on the road, no? Having as one’s goal to attain sanctity is not prideful, it is simply choosing a priority and living up to it.

Plus, it’s a good thing to do. If one’s goal is to become a saint and one fails, one will usually get to Purgatory. If a person has as a goal to get to Purgatory and fails…

And no one can attain sanctity on one’s own, we must continually ask for and accept God’s help.
Wait so it’s allowable and normal to do this? I’ve always thought it was prideful to dream of being a saint as to not be prideful, like how could I deem myself worthy of becoming a saint? Or even compare myself to them?
 
I’ve heard a million times that we should imitate the saints, but what does this mean? Should we wake up every day hoping/praying/striving towards becoming a saint? I mean, the saints never thought they were going to become saints, so wouldn’t it be wrong to go about our days saying we’re going to become saints? What if people want to become saints for the wrong reasons?
Imitate their life. Their life is a testimony to what is possible if you follow Christ. There is nothing wrong with wanting to become a saint. Do you want to become holier than others? The only way to become a saint is through humility. God knows what is in your hearts. A saint is just a follower of Christ. If you are hoping to be formally canonized or recognized for your holiness, that could be wrong.
 
Fame deriving from sainthood is a non-reward, as by the definition of sainthood, you would be too dead to enjoy it.

ICXC NIKA.
 
Wait so it’s allowable and normal to do this? I’ve always thought it was prideful to dream of being a saint as to not be prideful, like how could I deem myself worthy of becoming a saint? Or even compare myself to them?
Not just allowable, but the best thing to do! It is not so much a question of being worthy, but more that we should want to become saints in gratitude to Christ for making it possible through His death on the cross.

Now, you may become like the little saints that no one ever heard of… so don’t think that just because you strive to sanctity that you will become world-renowned or anything. In fact, given what many saints have said, you will probably feel that you are failing at it most of the time 😉
 
Wait so it’s allowable and normal to do this? I’ve always thought it was prideful to dream of being a saint as to not be prideful, like how could I deem myself worthy of becoming a saint? Or even compare myself to them?
We, the baptized, were all given new birth, and all have the Holy Spirit, with Sanctifying Grace infused in our souls. We are new and divine creatures, with the qualities of the Virtues penetrating the depths of our souls as the Holy Spirit dances within us as he moved over the waters of the first creation; the Spiration of the Love of the Father and Son being the breath of this new creature’s soul.

It is identical to that Sanctifying Grace infusing the Saints, no less. What is the difference? Growth in the use of that Grace, in using the Virtues that are now part of us by the presence of this Spirit of Christ. They did their doings virtuously, whatever their daily doings were.

John was asked by the repentant converts, “What should we do now?” and he told them how to do what they are doing as Saints rather than their pre-repentance method of doing the same things

“He who has two tunics, give one to him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise” - virtuously use the wealth you have.
To soldiers: .“Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.” - virtuously do your soldiering today, and virtuously enjoy your pay.
To tax collectors: “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.” - virtuously do your tax collecting now, today.

Later Jesus walked by the tax booth of one of them and said “Follow me”, and later that tax collector wrote a long 28 chapter book about Jesus. Because he did all his doings virtuously, even writing this book virtuously, we now see that this tax collector is a Saint, St. Matthew.

You are what they were, with the Spirit infusing your soul - a new creation, and new creature. So, try it out - “I am going to do this thing that I am doing virtuously.” with each thing you do.

Are you driving to work? “I am going to drive virtuously”.
Are you making supper? “I am going to prepare the meal virtuously”.
Are you talking to a co-worker? “I am going to talk and act virtuously to this person right now.”
Are you shopping? “I am going to shop virtuously, spend virtuously, speak to fellow shoppers and clerks virtuously.”
Are you at Mass? “I am going to do my part in this sacrifice virtuously.”
Are you at confession? “I am going to confess my sins virtuously to the Priest and to Christ virtuously and resolve to amend my life virtuously.” etc.

What happens? The new life in your soul, the soul infused with Virtue, is now in the material world also, and not just in your soul. Now your “body”, including your brain and physical thoughts, is a true representation of your soul.

Put away the daydreams, the pre-thinking, the forethought, of becoming a Saint to get some kind of selfish benefit from it. Instead use the Virtues - that is what the Saints did, and that is what you “imitate”.
 
We, the baptized, were all given new birth, and all have the Holy Spirit, with Sanctifying Grace infused in our souls. We are new and divine creatures, with the qualities of the Virtues penetrating the depths of our souls as the Holy Spirit dances within us as he moved over the waters of the first creation; the Spiration of the Love of the Father and Son being the breath of this new creature’s soul.

It is identical to that Sanctifying Grace infusing the Saints, no less. What is the difference? Growth in the use of that Grace, in using the Virtues that are now part of us by the presence of this Spirit of Christ. They did their doings virtuously, whatever their daily doings were.

John was asked by the repentant converts, “What should we do now?” and he told them how to do what they are doing as Saints rather than their pre-repentance method of doing the same things

“He who has two tunics, give one to him who has none, and whoever has food is to do likewise” - virtuously use the wealth you have.
To soldiers: .“Do not extort money from anyone by threats or by false accusation, and be content with your wages.” - virtuously do your soldiering today, and virtuously enjoy your pay.
To tax collectors: “Collect no more than you are authorized to do.” - virtuously do your tax collecting now, today.

Later Jesus walked by the tax booth of one of them and said “Follow me”, and later that tax collector wrote a long 28 chapter book about Jesus. Because he did all his doings virtuously, even writing this book virtuously, we now see that this tax collector is a Saint, St. Matthew.

You are what they were, with the Spirit infusing your soul - a new creation, and new creature. So, try it out - “I am going to do this thing that I am doing virtuously.” with each thing you do.

Are you driving to work? “I am going to drive virtuously”.
Are you making supper? “I am going to prepare the meal virtuously”.
Are you talking to a co-worker? “I am going to talk and act virtuously to this person right now.”
Are you shopping? “I am going to shop virtuously, spend virtuously, speak to fellow shoppers and clerks virtuously.”
Are you at Mass? “I am going to do my part in this sacrifice virtuously.”
Are you at confession? “I am going to confess my sins virtuously to the Priest and to Christ virtuously and resolve to amend my life virtuously.” etc.

What happens? The new life in your soul, the soul infused with Virtue, is now in the material world also, and not just in your soul. Now your “body”, including your brain and physical thoughts, is a true representation of your soul.

Put away the daydreams, the pre-thinking, the forethought, of becoming a Saint to get some kind of selfish benefit from it. Instead use the Virtues - that is what the Saints did, and that is what you “imitate”.
How can I know if what I am intending to be a virtuous deed actually is virtuous?

Is sainthood about being or doing?
 
How can I know if what I am intending to be a virtuous deed actually is virtuous?

Is sainthood about being or doing?
I didn’t say “do a virtuous deed”. I said “do the thing you are doing ‘virtuously’”.
Forget about doing “special deeds”. That is a false notion of virtue.
I am saying “Use the Holy Spirit’s Gift of Faith, Hope, and Charity in you, that were received when you were baptized, renewed when you are re-united in friendship to God at the Sacrament of Reconciliation, nourished with the Body and Blood of Christ in the Mass.”

The Virtues are “new supernatural habits” filling your soul with the Spirit’s presence, so that it is now “second nature” to you to believe, “second nature” to hope in your salvation, “second nature” to love as Christ loved, to love both God and your neighbor. And habits are put to use when you will to use them. A carpenter has habits about using hammers and saws. And whenever he wants to cut a board, it is “second nature” to him to pick the correct saw. You are a “Son of God” with the Spirit of God filling your soul with Virtue. Use the tools of your trade in doing the things you are going to do, use the Virtues, just as a carpenter uses the habits of his trade. It does not matter what the deed is that he is doing; he always knows the correct tool to use. It does not matter what you are doing, but do it as a “Son of God”, virtuously. And if you do it virtuously, no matter what it is, it is now a “Virtuous Work, Well Pleasing to God” because you did it using your habits of Virtue, which you got as a gift.
 
I’ve heard a million times that we should imitate the saints, but what does this mean? Should we wake up every day hoping/praying/striving towards becoming a saint? I mean, the saints never thought they were going to become saints, so wouldn’t it be wrong to go about our days saying we’re going to become saints? What if people want to become saints for the wrong reasons?
Seems you have answered your own question perhaps. Imitate the saints as you have described. Be without pride. Don’t seek fame as you note the saints have done. Read more about how they lived and what they did. Note that they were not famous (until after they died). Live a life of humble service. Pray. Live humbly for the Lord.

But note that the Church has opened up her definition of Saint to include many common people from all walks of life. So you may be able to be a saint in a new way that nobody has ever been before. The Church also notes that there are many Saints that go and have gone unknown.

Ultimately, if you want to be Saint you are doing it for God and you see the world through God’s eye.

If you know someone who is trying to be a Saint for fame, then you may have found the reason why they are not actually a Saint.
 
Seems you have answered your own question perhaps. Imitate the saints as you have described. Be without pride. Don’t seek fame as you note the saints have done. Read more about how they lived and what they did. Note that they were not famous (until after they died). Live a life of humble service. Pray. Live humbly for the Lord.

But note that the Church has opened up her definition of Saint to include many common people from all walks of life. So you may be able to be a saint in a new way that nobody has ever been before. The Church also notes that there are many Saints that go and have gone unknown.

Ultimately, if you want to be Saint you are doing it for God and you see the world through God’s eye.

If you know someone who is trying to be a Saint for fame, then you may have found the reason why they are not actually a Saint.
If someone is still humanly alive, they would not be a saint in any case:).

ICXC NIKA
 
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