Immigration Policy

[gksaoh]

We have about 11,000,000 immigrants in the U.S. who are not legally entitled to work here. While they find jobs because they are badly needed to expand the economy, we pretend to keep them out.

Since 1986, we have tripled the size of the Border Patrol and increased the enforcement budget 10 times. The unrealistic, but politically popular, law limits visas for unskilled labor to only 5,000 a year. It doesn’t work.

The Bush administration is being pragmatic when it wants to establish a temporary worker program that will let foreigners work (and pay taxes) for a limited period. This is a sound policy. Foolish people, wanting to keep the labor force small, advocate economic suicide.

Catholic morality teaches that when it is a question of survival, one need not obey the law. For example, a starving person can take a loaf of bread. It is not stealing.

 

[space_ghost]

…Bush and all his buddies (corporations) would love nothing more than a work force that you can pay little and provide no benefits, no pension, just suck the life out these hard working people then toss them back across the border from whence they came…

…the rich get richer and the poorer…well you know the rest…

Peace
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[Lance]

space ghost:

…Bush and all his buddies (corporations) would love nothing more than a work force that you can pay little and provide no benefits, no pension, just suck the life out these hard working people then toss them back across the border from whence they came…

…the rich get richer and the poorer…well you know the rest…

Peace
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Thanks for your ever so enlighned insight into this problem.
I am a conservative who backs our effort in the war against radical Islam but we need to tighten our borders. There needs to be some reform in our immigration policies but I don’t think the one Bush is looking at is the right one. The situation you describe is exactly what the illegal workers now have. We need a policy where they can come here, get a job even if it pays little compaired to what we make, have health coverage and work towards becoming a citizen.

Last time I checked most of the liberals in Congress were not from the working class. John Kerry, the Clintons, the Kennedys none of them ever worked a day in their lives except in some government job.

 

[TAS2000]

We need a policy where they can come here, get a job even if it pays little compaired to what we make, have health coverage and work towards becoming a citizen.

We have a policy now. It’s called LEGAL immigration. And they should be paid FAIR wages, not lower ones. Otherwise you have the whole situation we currently have where cheap ILLEGAL immigrants are hired because companies don’t want to pay for LEGAL Amercian workers.

 

[Lance]

A good part of the answer lies in prosicuting companies who hire illegals and sending their owners or officer to prison for a few years.

 

[ShroudMan]

Since catholic morality calls for disobeying the law when it comes to survival, can one go into an abortion clinic and shoot a doctor about to murder a baby? answer: NO

We have laws that need to be followed. I’m all for letting people in…as long as the rules are followed.

And as for this President…yet another reason he cant be taken seriously is with his border policy…not only is it a danger to the country…he also had the audacity to call the Minutemen who guard the borders “vigilantes”… *ugh…Bush just turns my stomach.

 

[D_Quintero]

I have merit in both sides. Me living here in San Antonio, I know something about illegal immigrants wanting jobs. They usually take the ones that many people don’t even want. And they don’t care, they just want money to live and be with their families. On the other hand, I see that if we let all immigrants have the same rights as legal citizens, what do we tell our children? That you can do something illegally and not get in trouble? I believe we should restrict some rights of the non citizen, but not all :twocents:

 

[Viki59]

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Most of our ancestors are immigrants, unless you are Native American.
Immigration is a natural movement that has continued since human beings left the Garden of Eden.

Take my friend Maria, who lived with her six children in a little town in Mexico. She got word that her oldest son, 17, who had come up to the states to find work, had been seriously injured in a car accident. He was paralyzed and living in a nursing home.
She and her husband decided to come and visit him. They left their older children alone with the 14 year old to care for them, despite the neighbor’s habit of ogling her daughter. Having no educaton or money, and knowing a visa would take years and probably be refused for financial reasons, they crossed the border at a secluded spot and walked across the mountains to Los Angelos. She was pregnant and carrying her youngest child, 2 years old. They nearly died of the cold in the mountains but survived.
When I met her she was living under a bridge with her new baby and her three year old – her husband had taken off on a drunk.
Of course I told her to go back where she belonged and next time come legally – oops, no, I missed my chance.
She now lives with her children in a small apartment, visits her son regularly, and is learning English. She sent for her older children with a social worker’s help and they are in school.
What would you have done in her place?

 

[Jeffrey]

Hmmmmm… did her 17 year old son come here legally?

Why risk the death of an unborn?

Why would she leave her 14 year old with a neighbor that ogles her? Lord knows what else that neighbor did after they left.

Is she legal now? Or still robbing us by sponging off the system illegally?

As far as what I would’ve done… I would’ve came over legally.

As far as our ancestor being immigrants back then… apples and oranges.

Viki59:

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Most of our ancestors are immigrants, unless you are Native American.
Immigration is a natural movement that has continued since human beings left the Garden of Eden.

Take my friend Maria, who lived with her six children in a little town in Mexico. She got word that her oldest son, 17, who had come up to the states to find work, had been seriously injured in a car accident. He was paralyzed and living in a nursing home.
She and her husband decided to come and visit him. They left their older children alone with the 14 year old to care for them, despite the neighbor’s habit of ogling her daughter. Having no educaton or money, and knowing a visa would take years and probably be refused for financial reasons, they crossed the border at a secluded spot and walked across the mountains to Los Angelos. She was pregnant and carrying her youngest child, 2 years old. They nearly died of the cold in the mountains but survived.
When I met her she was living under a bridge with her new baby and her three year old – her husband had taken off on a drunk.
Of course I told her to go back where she belonged and next time come legally – oops, no, I missed my chance.
She now lives with her children in a small apartment, visits her son regularly, and is learning English. She sent for her older children with a social worker’s help and they are in school.
What would you have done in her place?

 

[Viki59]

Jeffrey:

Is she legal now? Or still robbing us by sponging off the system illegally?

As far as what I would’ve done… I would’ve came over legally.
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But that’s impossible unless you have money.
I fear that you have a sad lack of information about immigrants and also the rules of immigration.
Also a lack of charity. If anyone’s to blame, it’s the corrupt government in Mexico that rips off the poor and provides no jobs or medical care for those in need.

 

[Jeffrey]

You misunderstand… I wouldn’t want to put my **14 year old daughter at risk, nor the unborn at risk… that is intolerable. **Talk about lack of charity.

Viki59:

But that’s impossible unless you have money.
I fear that you have a sad lack of information about immigrants and also the rules of immigration.
Also a lack of charity. If anyone’s to blame, it’s the corrupt government in Mexico that rips off the poor and provides no jobs or medical care for those in need.

 

[rlg94086]

Lance:

We need a policy where they can come here, get a job even if it pays little compaired to what we make, have health coverage and work towards becoming a citizen.

That’s what Bush is looking at, so I’m not sure what in his proposal you are against. There are two bills from Arizona senators, which together will go a long way in solving the problem.

God Bless,

Robert