Immigration Rallies Planned Nationwide

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Please do not give up, we have to all grow and develop. I have no special gift at predicting the future with accuracy. Alan Greenspan spoke at great length on this issue however his work is a labor to read. It is simple to understand soon a 100 million retires will be drawing benefits from the government, who will supply the money? Not the Americans under 20 so who? There will be only about 200 million workers at that time. So you have a condition in which each worker will need to pay $18,000 in to Social Security and Medicare in addition to normal taxes! That will be tough. Immigrants who do not qualify for these systems can easily reduce that number by 1/3. Frankly taxing the retires will provide another 20%. All ready reduction in government retirement plans, plus cuts in school funding, plus reduced government colas are being used. More benefit cuts plus more taxes are coming. BTW simply printing money will only cause inflation which will drastical hurt the retires.
 
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Please do not give up, we have to all grow and develop. I have no special gift at predicting the future with accuracy. Alan Greenspan spoke at great length on this issue however his work is a labor to read. It is simple to understand soon a 100 million retires will be drawing benefits from the government, who will supply the money? Not the Americans under 20 so who? There will be only about 200 million workers at that time. So you have a condition in which each worker will need to pay $18,000 in to Social Security and Medicare in addition to normal taxes! That will be tough. Immigrants who do not qualify for these systems can easily reduce that number by 1/3. Frankly taxing the retires will provide another 20%. All ready reduction in government retirement plans, plus cuts in school funding, plus reduced government colas are being used. More benefit cuts plus more taxes are coming. BTW simply printing money will only cause inflation which will drastical hurt the retires.
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All I can say about this is that the Social Security program was instituted to SUPPLEMENT a retirees income, not to be the only source of income. The the politicians, once again, have over-reached and over-promised and the system is broken. I see no willingness on either party’s part to fix it. Same with Medicare and Medicaid.

But we digress. I thought we were talking about immigrant rallies. As I see it, more people in the country do not welcome people who come here ILLEGALLY and then make demands on services and benefits that they are not entitled to. That is what is happening and until we close the border we are never going to know who is here, and what they are doing. There are many, like you, who want the borders open. But why then are the phones in D.C. ringing off the wall with irate constituents calling? As I have said over and over, I am very willing to help those immigrants who come here legally, assimilate into our culture, who want to become citizens and who learn to speak English. It is silly that we think we have to offer classes in schools in two languages. The language here is English and if an immigrant wants to make it here, he needs to learn it.
 
I know many, many illegal hispanics, because I serve in two parishes with large hispanic populations. I speak Spanish.

I know the children of these hispanics, and I’ll tell you this: it’s rare that these kids need ESL classes. If they are born here, they know English by the time they are three or four years old. Many times they help their parents learn English, too.

If they come here when they are already of school age (which is not as common), they easily assimilate with other English-speaking hispanics. They learn most of their English not in a class, but in life.

For those who talk about amnesty: Amnesty would involve full pardon without punishment, and immediate citizenship. The current proposal is nothing like that. It states that those here illegally must pay fines, must not engage in further illegal activity, must possibly pay back taxes, and must wait years before being elligible for citizenship. How, exactly, is that amnesty?

And, if you are against “amnesty,” you must also, therefore, disagree with the many instances of amnesty being granted in our U.S. history. Examples: Abraham Lincoln and Andrew Johnson issued more than 200,000 pardons after the Civil War. Presidents Franklin D. Roosevelt and Harry Truman pardoned several thousand draft evaders from World War II (1939–1945). Jimmy Carter, in one of his first acts as president, granted a “full, complete, and unconditional pardon” to draft dodgers and deserters of the Vietnam War, in January 1977.

Peace,
Meeshy
 
For those who would like to know more about our Bishops’ position on immigration reform, please visit their website:

justiceforimmigrants.org/

We must trust our shepherds. Jesus left us in their care. Let’s not rebel against them, thinking that we know better than they, or that somehow they’re uninformed about the issues. That’s like a child thinking they know better than their parents.

I will never doubt Holy Mother Church.

I leave this discussion to those who prefer to argue than to listen to our Bishops.

Peace,
Meeshy
 
meeshy said:
For those who would like to know more about our Bishops’ position on immigration reform, please visit their website:

justiceforimmigrants.org/

We must trust our shepherds. Jesus left us in their care. Let’s not rebel against them, thinking that we know better than they, or that somehow they’re uninformed about the issues. That’s like a child thinking they know better than their parents.

I will never doubt Holy Mother Church.

I leave this discussion to those who prefer to argue than to listen to our Bishops.

Peace,
Meeshy
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Meeshy,

Thank you so much for your (name removed by moderator)ut on these threads!
 
mary_bobo said:
As I have said over and over, I am very willing to help those immigrants who come here legally, assimilate into our culture, who want to become citizens and who learn to speak English.

It is silly that we think we have to offer classes in schools in two languages.

The language here is English and if an immigrant wants to make it here, he needs to learn it.
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What are you trying to say?

It looks like your first and last sentence contradict your middle sentence. How does one (immigrant non English speaking child) learn another language without some instruction or explanation given in native tongue (either written or oral)?

I wouldn’t have learned very much Spanish without some explanation given in English.
 
Wow, Kim, it’s sooooo nice that you support people who just say “hey! I’m coming to your country whether you like it or not! and guess what: the first thing I’m doing is breaking your laws and there isn’t a damn thing you can do about it” Liberals…sheesh

I doubt we’re all just picking on Mexicans. We’re not PICKING on anyone! We’re making it known that we are a nation of laws and those laws should be respected in the same way we should respect the laws of other nations we may visit. Pack them up and ship them out? YES. All of them if they can’t respect out ways. not just Mexicans, all of them. My wife is an immigrant. She had to wait 17 years to get here. She did it the RIGHT way. She is now a productive, working, tax-paying citizen. Not a welfare using, food stamp hoarding, law-avoiding illegal.

And not to pick on Mexicans, but since they are in the VAST majority of illegals, would it be so bad to show them how to maybe make their own country as great as ours? With all their resources and workforce, they could be as economically powerful as us if not more.

Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for helping people. Helping people who don’t take advantage of the society that is willing to help.
 
Oh and on your last sentence, you wouldn’t have learned Spanish without some instruction in English… My question is WHY THE HECK SHOULD WE EVEN HAVE TO LEARN SPANISH IN THE FIRST PLACE??? WE’RE NOT THE ONES MAKING THE EXODUS INTO THEIR COUNTRY!! THEY"RE COMING TO US! CAN THEY PLEASE LEARN O U R LANGUAGE FOR A CHANGE???
 
Meeshy,
Back in post 222 you said that the use of fake SS#'s doesn’t hurt anyone. Government gets the tax money and the illegal get a job. You need to meet my sister-in-law. Her number was used by several illegals for several years. She was a stay-at-home parent during this time. She has fought for 7 years on her credit rating as this number is used to receive car insurance, cell phones, utilities, etc. There are unpaid bills, insurance claims, etc. applied to her number. There are bills in several states against her number. She also became disabled and the SSA can’t seem to determine the proper benefits due to the mess under her number. She is going to receive a new number, but the previous mess is still attached. In our state, your car insurance is based on driver info, car info, and credit history. If you have poor credit, you have high premiums. Her ability to purchase a home, car, etc is seriously compromised now.
Sin-yes I consider it a sin to break the law-is never private. There is a ripple effect that can harm others due to your sin.
If you think it is not a big deal, hand your SS# out to the next illegal wanting to get a job.
 
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