In Love or Infatuated?

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By the time students finish taking Santa Clara University’s theology of marriage class, the professors are pretty sure these students will be able to tell the difference between romantic notions of love that are constantly thrown at them and the real thing.

“We break down the ‘knight in shining armor’ idea that there is one person just for you,” said Frederick J. Parrella, a religious studies professor at the Jesuit-run university who has been teaching the popular marriage course, which constantly has a waiting list, for more than 15 years. “We’re all made in God’s image,” the theologian stressed, adding that based on that idea, there is not necessarily one soul mate out there for everyone.

Finding the right person for a committed relationship involves meeting people, making the right decisions and not just going by feelings, which are bound to go away, he told Catholic News Service in a Feb. 4 telephone interview from Santa Clara, Calif.

One of the first assignments Parrella gives his students, who are primarily seniors, is to write about their deepest fears about relationships. Many of them say they are afraid to be alone or worried that they will choose a spouse too quickly while the person better suited for them remains at large.

In the span of the 10-week course, Parrella steers his students through the sometimes tricky love terrain by juxtaposing current books and movies that deal with love with deeper theological writings that delve into marriage as a sacrament and a reflection of God’s love.

The students watch clips from popular movies that present romantic love, such as Disney films, or Oscar-winners such as “American Beauty” and “As Good as it Gets,” and read “I and Thou,” by the late Jewish scholar Martin Buber, and “The Good Marriage: How and Why Love Lasts,” by Judith Wallerstein and Sandra Blakeslee.

Parrella points out that many people influenced by modern culture tend to idealize both the person they love and the whole notion of love.

catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0500733.htm
 
Love is a choice. Infatutation is a feeling. That’s my feeling, or um, choice.
 
Excellent. It’s about time young people heard this. Wish I had heard this in my teenage years.
 
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HagiaSophia:
“We break down the ‘knight in shining armor’ idea that there is one person just for you,” said Frederick J. Parrella, a religious studies professor at the Jesuit-run university who has been teaching the popular marriage course, which constantly has a waiting list, for more than 15 years. “We’re all made in God’s image,” the theologian stressed, adding that based on that idea, there is not necessarily one soul mate out there for everyone.
AMEN AMEN!

The Soul Mate idea is so romantic, and un-biblical! The Bible says God created a help mate for man, it also says the two become one flesh, not one soul! When these hyper-romantic ideas blind someone, they make poor decisions and also can be SOOOO hurt.

Thank heaven this is being taught!

Kage
 
Love is an action verb. Matrimony is all about the sacrament. It’s a lot of hard work and requires a commitment on both parts to make it work. I only wish I would have felt this way when I was 19.

Blessings,
Shannin
 
I’ve had a “thing” for one gal for years. Last year I found her e-mail address and we communicated for the first time in some years. Then she was silent another year. Recently I heard from her again. But she also mentioned she was involved with someone. That crushed me, for a variety of reasons.

She’s younger than I am, and I’m afraid if she’s dating a typical guy her age, she’ll probably no longer be a virgin, which is a major sticking point with me, since I’m a virigin myself.

I’m sure she thinks me just a friend or mentor at most, but I hope something develops. I’m proceeding very, very slowly, and praying a lot. I was sure years ago she’d make a perfect mother. We do have an amusing chemistry.

I wonder if I’m just gonna have to wait and wait on her, let her go through some unhappy relationships and all, before she realizes that though I’m not attractive, I’m not a bad guy.

Is this love, infatuation, or what? Or do I sound like some crazy stalker?
 
I agree that love involves committment and choice and hard work…not necessarily feelings. That’s usually how it starts though. But feelings don’t always last. I have taken numerous psychology courses and read many books on the subject of love (and the greatest book about Love…the Bible); and they all go along with the idea that feelings are not the way to guage a relationship. All relationships go through a time where one member may not ‘feel’ like they love the other. There are times when I don’t *feel *like I love my parents…but I won’t stop being their daughter. Young people these days…especially christians…think that love is this overwhelming feeling, then they get disappointed. This goes for a relationship with God and people. They both take work. Did you ever notice that every relationship you have here on earth you can compare and equate with one of the many ways that the Lord loves us??? I love that concept. And it makes sense because God invented love. 😉

God Bless!!
 
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seeker63:
I’ve had a “thing” for one gal for years. Last year I found her e-mail address and we communicated for the first time in some years. Then she was silent another year. Recently I heard from her again. But she also mentioned she was involved with someone. That crushed me, for a variety of reasons.

She’s younger than I am, and I’m afraid if she’s dating a typical guy her age, she’ll probably no longer be a virgin, which is a major sticking point with me, since I’m a virigin myself.

I’m sure she thinks me just a friend or mentor at most, but I hope something develops. I’m proceeding very, very slowly, and praying a lot. I was sure years ago she’d make a perfect mother. We do have an amusing chemistry.

I wonder if I’m just gonna have to wait and wait on her, let her go through some unhappy relationships and all, before she realizes that though I’m not attractive, I’m not a bad guy.

Is this love, infatuation, or what? Or do I sound like some crazy stalker?
Since you have no real claim to her heart right now, loving her entails a certain willingness to let her go – even permanently.

Loving her entails a desire to see the greatest good brought about in her life – ultimately, that she will be free to love Jesus with all of her heart, soul, and strength.
 
"Since you have no real claim to her heart right now, loving her entails a certain willingness to let her go – even permanently.

“Loving her entails a desire to see the greatest good brought about in her life – ultimately, that she will be free to love Jesus with all of her heart, soul, and strength.”

Still, I don’t want to have my life end up like that George Jones song, “He Stopped Loving Her Today.” Also, I don’t as she knows how I feel about her, though right now the timing wouldn’t be good. I just hope I don’t have to wait so long she winds up marrying somebody else.
 
seeker63 said:
"Since you have no real claim to her heart right now, loving her entails a certain willingness to let her go – even permanently.

“Loving her entails a desire to see the greatest good brought about in her life – ultimately, that she will be free to love Jesus with all of her heart, soul, and strength.”

Still, I don’t want to have my life end up like that George Jones song, “He Stopped Loving Her Today.” Also, I don’t as she knows how I feel about her, though right now the timing wouldn’t be good. I just hope I don’t have to wait so long she winds up marrying somebody else.

Letting someone go doesn’t mean that you stop loving them. Though on one level your desire and hope is that she marries you, love means that a greater desire and hope is that she marries the person that will be the greatest blessing to her, even if that means she marries someone else, even if it means she marries no one at all.

I am not speaking in just some abstract manner – I am experiencing the very same thing. I have told God what my desire is, but I have also told him that my greater desire is that our relationship will be the best that it can be, according to his plan. I don’t know if we are to marry, to just remain as friends, or to never see her again this side of heaven, but whatever it is, I want it to be the best it can be. So I ask God nearly everyday that he would help me to love her as much as possible, as is appropriate to the nature of our relationship. I know that I love her, for I am her friend, but not all expressions of love are appropriate to all relationships.
 
I should mention that in the song, if you’v enot heard it, a guy tells a woman he’ll love her until he dies, and does. The first time you hear the song is a shocker, as the chorus goes, “He stopped loving her today, they placed a wreath upon his door, and soon they’ll carry him away…”

I wish I could have as mature and spiritually strong attitude as you have about this. But as I keep noticing in aspect after aspect of my life, religious or otherwise, I’m very immature and mixed-up, proceeding with the best of intentions and as often as not messing up big time.

And I also worry if I’m too self-centered to even have any business thinking about a relationship…
 
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seeker63:
And I also worry if I’m too self-centered to even have any business thinking about a relationship…
Join the club. 👍

Not that I’m in it, of course… I just heard there is one. :tiphat:

Letting go of this one doesn’t mean it will never happen. It just means that if another opportunity presents itself, you’ll be open to it. There’s a lot of danger in getting too attached.
 
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seeker63:
I should mention that in the song, if you’v enot heard it, a guy tells a woman he’ll love her until he dies, and does. The first time you hear the song is a shocker, as the chorus goes, “He stopped loving her today, they placed a wreath upon his door, and soon they’ll carry him away…”

I wish I could have as mature and spiritually strong attitude as you have about this. But as I keep noticing in aspect after aspect of my life, religious or otherwise, I’m very immature and mixed-up, proceeding with the best of intentions and as often as not messing up big time.

And I also worry if I’m too self-centered to even have any business thinking about a relationship…
The lyrics sound vaguely familiar, but I didn’t know that’s what happened.

When I first met this girl, it was definitely infatuation. For a time I think I was asking God to make certain things happen, “Let it be your will that she likes me!” but at some point I got the idea that I should pray less about her and more for her. I was definitely immature about some things in the beginning (and I probably still am! :o) but God doesn’t want us to wait until we’ve got everything fixed. He wants us to come to him right now because he can teach us and fix us and help us much better than we ever could.

So, you are immature, mixed up, and too self centered? Admit that to God and ask him to help you:

“God, I know I am immature, and at times I am very self centered. I don’t really know how to love _____(insert name). I ask that you would teach me how, that you give me a strong and pure love for her.”

Or something like that. Ask God for what you need. If you ask him to increase your love, will he refuse?
 
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Prometheum_x:
So, you are immature, mixed up, and too self centered? Admit that to God and ask him to help you:

“God, I know I am immature, and at times I am very self centered. I don’t really know how to love _____(insert name). I ask that you would teach me how, that you give me a strong and pure love for her.”

Or something like that. Ask God for what you need. If you ask him to increase your love, will he refuse?
Creating a prayer always seem so easy when someone ELSE does it. 😃
 
“Letting go of this one doesn’t mean it will never happen. It just means that if another opportunity presents itself, you’ll be open to it. There’s a lot of danger in getting too attached.”

I am almost certainly over-thinking this one. Do I understand you to mean I should give up on this particular girl and just hope another one comes along, or just calm the heck down and wait until she’s available again? Because she’s really been the only I’ve been interested in years. I struggled with feelings of same-sex attraction for years and she’s the only hope I’ve had, and really the only work I ever thought worth my time.

I’m also not a nice enough guy to really worry about her current boyfriend. I don’t wanna bow out just because he happened to be in the right place at the right time. But I’m certainly willing to play it cool and slow—I’ve waited plenty long already.

One of my friends says this girl needs to go through a few relationships with jerks to see what a good deal she’d be getting with me, since I’ve always been a good friend and have never, ever tried anything remotely improper.

*"When I first met this girl, it was definitely infatuation. For a time I think I was asking God to make certain things happen, “Let it be your will that she likes me!” but at some point I got the idea that I should pray less about her and more for her. I was definitely immature about some things in the beginning (and I probably still am! :o) but God doesn’t want us to wait until we’ve got everything fixed. He wants us to come to him right now because he can teach us and fix us and help us much better than we ever could.

So, you are immature, mixed up, and too self centered? Admit that to God and ask him to help you:

“God, I know I am immature, and at times I am very self centered. I don’t really know how to love _____(insert name). I ask that you would teach me how, that you give me a strong and pure love for her.”

Or something like that. Ask God for what you need. If you ask him to increase your love, will he refuse?"*

I’ll admit when I first heard about her relationship I said a novena over nine days to the Virgin Mary, asking that She preserve this girl’s chastity and help me in my relationship with her. But nothing has really happened one way or another yet. I will say that over the course of those nine days I watched myself very carefully to see if my attitude and desires and goals and wants changed in regards to this matter.

How out of the loop am I in the love game? Well, I really don’t have a clue how to give of myself. the only way I’ve ever really been able to express love to others is to buy them things, probably because I’ve had better luck in my life with objects rather than people. (Maybe I have unrealistic expectations of what love is–that it’s some panacea and one-size-fits-all problem-solver.)

{I think my immaturity and inexperience might also help narrow the feeling on her part that I’m too old for her.)

“Creating a prayer always seem so easy when someone ELSE does it.”

Ain’t that the truth?!
 
Life is a journey – may you enjoy learning how to love more and more every day!

May we all be more like Jesus in our thoughts and in our actions.
 
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seeker63:
I’ve had a “thing” for one gal for years. Last year I found her e-mail address and we communicated for the first time in some years. Then she was silent another year. Recently I heard from her again. But she also mentioned she was involved with someone. That crushed me, for a variety of reasons.

She’s younger than I am, and I’m afraid if she’s dating a typical guy her age, she’ll probably no longer be a virgin, which is a major sticking point with me, since I’m a virigin myself.

I’m sure she thinks me just a friend or mentor at most, but I hope something develops. I’m proceeding very, very slowly, and praying a lot. I was sure years ago she’d make a perfect mother. We do have an amusing chemistry.

I wonder if I’m just gonna have to wait and wait on her, let her go through some unhappy relationships and all, before she realizes that though I’m not attractive, I’m not a bad guy.

Is this love, infatuation, or what? Or do I sound like some crazy stalker?
Can’t tell if you’re a crazy stalker or not, but it does sound like you’re projecting a great deal of your hopes for a spouse onto someone who hasn’t shown many signs of being that interested. While you are “proceeding very, very slowly,” why not get active about meeting other potential spouses, and let God be the driver?
 
“Can’t tell if you’re a crazy stalker or not, but it does sound like you’re projecting a great deal of your hopes for a spouse onto someone who hasn’t shown many signs of being that interested. While you are “proceeding very, very slowly,” why not get active about meeting other potential spouses, and let God be the driver?”
  1. We were around each other a lot more in past years, and it was then I drew a lot more of my conclusions and opinions regarding her and so forth.
  2. I’m really not interested in anybody else, and have never really been interested in “playing the field.” If things don’t work out with this one, then I don’t expect I’ll bother again. I’m 41 and don’t feel like going through the whole “getting to know you” rigamarole over and over and over again. How much time do I realistically have left anyway?
I’ve lived this long as a single male, but I still have a hankering for a wife and kids. But I am not interested enough in having to “settle” for whatever I can get.
 
seeker63 said:
“Can’t tell if you’re a crazy stalker or not, but it does sound like you’re projecting a great deal of your hopes for a spouse onto someone who hasn’t shown many signs of being that interested. While you are “proceeding very, very slowly,” why not get active about meeting other potential spouses, and let God be the driver?”
  1. We were around each other a lot more in past years, and it was then I drew a lot more of my conclusions and opinions regarding her and so forth.
  2. I’m really not interested in anybody else, and have never really been interested in “playing the field.” If things don’t work out with this one, then I don’t expect I’ll bother again. I’m 41 and don’t feel like going through the whole “getting to know you” rigamarole over and over and over again. How much time do I realistically have left anyway?
I’ve lived this long as a single male, but I still have a hankering for a wife and kids. But I am not interested enough in having to “settle” for whatever I can get.

Let me first tell you that, this advices come with the most heartfelt love and compassion…since I have been in your shoes

Suggestion #1:
Poop or get off the pot.

Tell her, let her ponder it…suffer the consequences be they good or bad…then move on.

YOU are only making yourself suffer if you do otherwise.

Suggestion #2:

If your not that attractive, do something about it. Hit the gym, get new clothes, new hairstyle…whatever you don’t think is attractive, change it.

About ME:
I was really fat and I would get bummed when I didn’t get any response from females that I was attracted to…one I had a crush on for over 15 years…well, I wonder why that was…hmmmmm…

Attraction is a big part of it, and yes unattractive physical attributes can be overcome with time, but don’t ever succumb to the lie that “its only whats on the inside that counts”.
That is bologne. If your a great guy that wieghs 500lbs and has dried food all over his shirt, your NOT going to get a date!
I know cause this was me for the last 8 years.
I know what I am attracted to in a woman…and if I want to attract a woman that I find attractive…well, you get the picture.

Now don’t get me wrong, there are lots of beautiful “witches” but there are lots of “beautiful” “perfect religious and pesonality matches” out there for me too…I just have to work harder on my ability to “turn thier heads” …plus the better looking I get, the better I feel, and I am lots more active.

So now, a gastric bypass later, now I hit the gym, and i eat subway all the time…i am down almost 200lbs…in 9 1/2 months…and have goals for my physical appearance. I am much happier but still have about 100 to lose, and I need to get in real good shape…

The most important thing is to Love yourself, which I finally learned to do on June27 of 2004 when I went through cursillo, but man the weight loss is great…

no excuses…power to you bro…!!!

Peace of the Lord be with you all!
 
I was born in the wrong era. What we call stupid Infatuation today, the great generation built entire married lives on in the past. My mother, aunts and their freinds marrying in the 1940s and 50s all married in their late teens and had long lasting good marriages.

Today in our age of divorce we look back and say how stupid they were for basing a long lasting marriage on Infatuation. I think it is we that are wrong and they who were right. I think we put far too much importance on being single in college and getting stuff out of the way before marriage. I think the great generation had it right.

Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com
 
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