In the Footsteps of St. Dominic - Exploring Dominican Spirituality

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catholicanne said:
My church is also doing this for All Souls Day. It will be the first time I attend this kind of mass and I’m really excited. 😃
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A traditional Dominican rite? That’s awesome. Lately, there seems to be good demand for it.

Have you ever seen this traditional Dominican Liturgy blog? It has certainly fostered a lot of interest in this rite.

Here is a link to a video where Father Hinnebusch, O.P. discusses how the Dominican rite, which was approved in 1267, came about.

The Dominican Rite
 
TrueLight said:
A traditional Dominican rite? That’s awesome. Lately, there seems to be good demand for it.

Have you ever seen this traditional Dominican Liturgy blog? It has certainly fostered a lot of interest in this rite.

Here is a link to a video where Father Hinnebusch, O.P. discusses how the Dominican rite, which was approved in 1267, came about.

The Dominican Rite
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I just started attending this church (it’s a Dominican church) and I am finding that I am so interested in learning more about the Dominicans and the Dominican laity. Thank you for the links, I will check them out tonight. 🙂
 
catholicanne said:
I just started attending this church (it’s a Dominican church) and I am finding that I am so interested in learning more about the Dominicans and the Dominican laity. Thank you for the links, I will check them out tonight. 🙂
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You’re welcome.

Interesting question and answer about Universae Ecclesiae & the Dominican Rite
Universae Ecclesiae & the Order of Preachers
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Q: Is there anything new in the document?
A: Yes. The instruction clarifies a number of issues, a few which affect the Dominican Order specifically.
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Q: What does the document say that impacts Dominicans?
A: The primary impact on the Order is seen in this statement in the Instruction: “Members of Religious Orders are permitted to use their own liturgical books in force in the year 1962” (Sodalibus Ordinum Religiosorum licet uti propriis libris liturgicis anno 1962 vigentibus.)
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Q: How does that affect the Dominican Order?
A: From its very beginning, the Dominican Order maintained its own liturgical customs, rooted in (but distinct from) the prevailing Roman Rite. In 1962, the Order still had its own Liturgical Books, including the Dominican Missal and Breviary.
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Q: Does this mean that now any Dominican priest may say the Dominican Rite?
A: In the same way as priests of the Latin Church who desire to say Mass according to the Missal of Bl. John XXIII must be qualified (ideoneus) to say Mass in the extraordinary form, Dominican priests who wish to celebrate Mass according to the Dominican Rite must be qualified.
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Q: What does it mean to be qualified?
A: The Instruction says that any priest not impeded from saying Mass under canon law is considered qualified. He should also have knowledge of the ars celebrandi of the form of the Rite he is celebrating.
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Q: Doesn’t a priest need to know Latin?
A: With regards to the Latin language, it is only necessary that a priest be able to pronounce the words correctly and understand their meaning. (necesse est ut sacerdos celebraturus scientia polleat ad verba recte proferenda eorumque intelligendam significationem).
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Q: Does a priest need to prove he is qualified every time he says the Dominican Rite?
A: The priest is under the same obligation with regards to the extraordinary form as he is with the ordinary form. That is, in most places a visiting priest must show that he is not impeded, usually evidence by a celebret or letter of good standing.
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Q: What about a priest’s qualification regarding knowledge and execution of the rite, need he provide his qualification in these areas before he is permitted to say Mass?
A: With regards to knowledge and execution of the extraordinary form, a priest who presents himself to say Mass in the extraordinary form is presumed to be qualified if he has previously celebrated it. In a similar way, priests who present themselves to say the ordinary form (whether in English or Latin) are presumed qualified with regards to the execution of the rite, and need not evidence their qualification further.
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Q: Don’t Dominican priests need the permission of the local superior or the Provincial?
A: “The faculty to celebrate sine populo (or with the participation of only one minister) in the forma extraordinaria of the Roman Rite is given by the Motu Proprio to all priests, whether secular or religious (cf. Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, art. 2). For such celebrations therefore, priests, by provision of the Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum, do not require any special permission from their Ordinaries or superiors.”
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Q: So what about a public Mass (Missa cum populo)?
A: A public Mass would be subject to the same regulations as any other public Mass said in a parish church or priory. Just as the pastor or prior has the right and obligation to oversee public Masses said under his jurisdiction, the same is true with regards to Mass said in the Dominican Rite.
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Q: Does this mean that a Priory could decide on its own to use the Dominican Rite regularly as its conventual Mass?
A: No. Summorum Pontificum makes clear if a religious community wants to use the extraordinary form “often, habitually or permanently” as its conventual Mass, it must first receive the approval of the Major Superior (i.e., the Prior Provincial).
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Q: What would prevent a group of friars from separating themselves from the conventual Mass in the ordinary form so that they could celebrate Mass in the extraordinary form instead?
A: Deliberately absenting oneself from the conventual Mass and choir is contrary to the laws and customs of the Order. Our own Constitutions make clear that the brethren are obligated to attend (and priests encouraged to concelebrate) the daily conventual Mass. “All brothers are bound to the celebration of conventual Mass and Liturgy of the Hours in choir. Everyone shall be mindful of this common obligation.” (LCO 63)
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Q: What about the other liturgical books of the Order, may a Dominican priest use those, too?
A: Yes. The Instruction makes clear that the permission extends to all of the liturgical books of the Order in force as of 1962.
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Q: If Dominican priests are permitted to say the Dominican Rite, may they also celebrate Mass according to the Missal of Bl. John XXIII?
A: Yes. A Dominican priest may celebrate Mass according to the Missal of Bl. John XXIII, so long as he is qualified to do so.
dominican-liturgy.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-to-sing-dominican-chant.html
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Now this is interesting…

The Dominican laity and the breviary.
What about non-ordained members of the Dominican Laity, what books are they to use?
A: Here the question concerns only the Liturgy of the Hours (Breviary). There is no explicit legislation on this, but the texts of Summorum Pontificum and Ecclesiae Universae suggest that members of the Dominican Laity may use the Office as was used by the Third Order of Penance in 1962 when reciting in private. In 1962, that office was the Dominican Rite Little Office of the Blessed Virgin, which was then recited by them in English. Generously, that might also be construed to allow them to use the Dominican Breviary as it was in 1962, either in Latin or English. After all, the Little Office was merely a concession to those unable to celebrate the full Divine Office.
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Q: What about Dominican Laity celebrating the liturgy in common?**
A: When celebrating in common with other members of the laity, the books in use by the chapter, normally the most recent edition of the Liturgy of the Hours, must be used.
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Q: Could a chapter of the Dominican Laity decide to use exclusively the 1962 version of the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin (or the Dominican Breviary of that year) in common celebrations?
A: Probably not. The current Rule of the Dominican Laity specifies that members are to use the Liturgy of the Hours. However, this situation might be considered analogous to a “stable group” wanting to use the Extraordinary Form of the Roman Rite. So, if a chapter wished to use the older books in common celebration, they could consult with the Provincial Promoter, who is responsible for their spiritual life and overseer of their liturgical life, and then do as he decides. This is what a house of Dominican friars would have to do if they wanted to use the Dominican Rite exclusively as the liturgy of the house: they would have to have permission of the “major superior,” that is, the provincial superior.
dominican-liturgy.blogspot.com/2008/04/how-to-sing-dominican-chant.html
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Wonder where I can check out one of those online?
 
This might be a silly question but at my church, in the morning, they have daily readings and prayers. I see the people who participate reading books while they are saying their prayers and I was just wondering if anyone knew what book they were reading. It’s a Dominican church, and yes, I probably could just ask them. lol
 
catholicanne said:
This might be a silly question but at my church, in the morning, they have daily readings and prayers. I see the people who participate reading books while they are saying their prayers and I was just wondering if anyone knew what book they were reading. It’s a Dominican church, and yes, I probably could just ask them. lol
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It’s not a silly question at all, but I don’t have the answer as to where those collection of prayers come from, as I don’t attend a Dominican run parish. Maybe someone else can help?
 
catholicanne said:
This might be a silly question but at my church, in the morning, they have daily readings and prayers. I see the people who participate reading books while they are saying their prayers and I was just wondering if anyone knew what book they were reading. It’s a Dominican church, and yes, I probably could just ask them. lol
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It sounds like they are praying the Liturgy of the Hours, for which a breviary is required. It is the morning prayer of the universal Church called Lauds. The prayers vary every day of the “Psalter” so they would require a book.
 
Sirach2 said:
It sounds like they are praying the Liturgy of the Hours, for which a breviary is required. It is the morning prayer of the universal Church called Lauds. The prayers vary every day of the “Psalter” so they would require a book.
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Thank you! I’ll have to look that up. 🙂
 
Why didn’t I think about morning prayer? I totally forgot that some, if not all, Dominican-run parishes do offer an opportunity to pray at least morning prayer along with the friars in the Church.

You can find the Liturgy of the Hours here: divineoffice.org/
 
I’m not into religious spiritualities myself but I’m discerning joining the Confraternity of the Holy Rosary, which is in some sense still run by Dominicans. I encourage anyone who reads this thread to check it out.
 
Rich_C said:
I’m not into religious spiritualities myself but I’m discerning joining the Confraternity of the Holy Rosary, which is in some sense still run by Dominicans. I encourage anyone who reads this thread to check it out.
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Yes, it’s a great confraternity, managed by the Dominicans. You can join individually, but you can even establish a confraternity (with the permission of the Dominicans) at your parish. The Pastor would have to contact the appropriate friar for your province.

How to Establish a Confraternity (Rosary Altar Society) in Your Parish

I know a lot of time these confraternities seem to be made up of women, but they are open to both men AND women.

Does anyone belong to any rosary confraternities or altar societies and can provide more info?
 
TrueLight said:
Yes, it’s a great confraternity, managed by the Dominicans. You can join individually, but you can even establish a confraternity (with the permission of the Dominicans) at your parish. The Pastor would have to contact the appropriate friar for your province.

How to Establish a Confraternity (Rosary Altar Society) in Your Parish

I know a lot of time these confraternities seem to be made up of women, but they are open to both men AND women.

Does anyone belong to any rosary confraternities or altar societies and can provide more info?
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I read about it in St. Louis de Montfort’s book on the Holy Rosary but I thought it was extinct (haha, like I thought the old Mass was extinct all my life until recently, I love being Catholic!). Then at Mass monsignor preached about it and said he’d just joined that week. I will have to find out if there is a society at my parish now.
 
[Does anyone belong to any rosary confraternities or altar societies and can provide more info?
You will find a Rosary Confraternity sponsored by the Dominicans at:
http:/:www.rosary-center.org

Numerous spiritual benefits for members and a Dominican publication. I’ve been a member since 2007,

God bless. Spread the devotion…

uselessbeggar:)
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Rich_C said:
I’m not into religious spiritualities myself but I’m discerning joining the Confraternity of the Holy Rosary, which is in some sense still run by Dominicans. I encourage anyone who reads this thread to check it out.
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I joined it last month! 👍
 
TrueLight said:
Tell us more, tell us more. 😃
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Gosh, not much more to tell, lol. I was sent a very sweet little packet that has a certificate, some suggested prayers, a form to send to them with my prayer intentions, and a beautiful prayer card. One of the sisters in the church I attend found out how much I love praying the rosary and so she asked me to sign up. I’m glad I did and I’m looking forward to the monthly gatherings my church has for those of us who are in the confraternity. 😃
 
catholicanne said:
Gosh, not much more to tell, lol. I was sent a very sweet little packet that has a certificate, some suggested prayers, a form to send to them with my prayer intentions, and a beautiful prayer card. One of the sisters in the church I attend found out how much I love praying the rosary and so she asked me to sign up. I’m glad I did and I’m looking forward to the monthly gatherings my church has for those of us who are in the confraternity. 😃
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Cool! Does the confraternity at your church include men?
 
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