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When Jesus died on the cross, Who died? Just His human nature, or both His human and divine natures? I’m getting conflicting anwers on this.
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tequilamac
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God the Son died. Does that help? Jesus died on the Cross. God died on the Cross.
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Franciscan
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Both his human and divine natures were offered. If it was just the human then the sacrifice would not have been infinite. So I would say definitely both.
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BlestOne
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But the bigger question is why and what it meant. He died for us, his death brought an end to the finality of death for man. Our bodies can die, but because of his sacrifice, our souls will not.
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tee_eff_em
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I tend to agree with The World’s Toughest Catholic Quiz: Natures don’t die – Persons die.
To reiterate tequilamac: It doesn’t make sense to say *this *nature died or *that *nature died – It only makes sense to say that the Divine Person, Jesus, died.
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VociMike
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Natures don’t die, persons do. Christ died. That has meaning in human terms but not in divine terms. That is to say, the Divine Nature simply does not allow for death, but human nature does. Before the Incarnation God could not die, but after the Incarnation He could and did. But it is wrong to speak of His human nature dying. While it was due to His human nature that He could die, it was not a nature that died but a Person.
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When the person died, what happened to the eternal, divine nature, the immortal nature? Only the body died, or did both natures die?
I need to think about this one. Good links.
I need to think about this one. Good links.
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tee_eff_em
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What happens (or: What do you expect will happen) to your immortal nature when you die?
People get hung up on death as an end, but as Catholics, we do not believe that death is an annihilation. The separation of soul from body is painful, but does not end an existence. And (as exemplified by Our Lord Jesus Christ) we look forward to the resurrection, when body and soul will be restored to their proper union.
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While God is impassible, Christ suffered impassibly. While God is immortal, He died. Christ, fully human, has a soul and a body. The body died. Christ, fully God, is joined to the fully human body and soul.
When we die, our bodies are separated from our souls. When Christ died, the same thing happened. When we die, our souls do not die. When Christ died, His human soul, in union with His divine nature, also did not die. His divine nature did not die; persons die. The one Person died, but that did not mean the Godhead, in union with Christ and being of the same substance with Christ, died.
Does this make sense?
When we die, our bodies are separated from our souls. When Christ died, the same thing happened. When we die, our souls do not die. When Christ died, His human soul, in union with His divine nature, also did not die. His divine nature did not die; persons die. The one Person died, but that did not mean the Godhead, in union with Christ and being of the same substance with Christ, died.
Does this make sense?
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Not his “Human Soul” but His Soul- fully human and fully divine. There is no separation of the human nature and divine nature in Jesus Christ- both are united- like when you see a candy cane- it has both white and red stripes- or like when you see the water mixed with the wine at Mass- totally united -not separated.
God the Son BECAME man…God the Son died…God the Son rose from the dead. The Divine Person, Jesus Christ- second person of the Godhead died. The trinity did not die- just God the Son. It is hard for the human mind to contemplate the Trinity- very hard indeed.
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After reading Theodoret - who was accused, at least of Nestorianism, I question the mixture metaphor. Would it not be more like a ping pong ball affixed to the sun? The two natures are so very different, how could they be mixed? God is immutable.
He took on human form - which is different from becoming man. John 1 says He tabernacled among us, not that He was changed into a man. God cannot change.
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