Incorrupt Bodies of Saints - Huh?

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Incorrupt bodies of the Saints, This is a new one to me. How often does this happen, does it only happen to Catholics? I found a little info on this and heard it was a Catholic hoax, a fundamentalist site also said the dead bodies were stolen then embalmed or mumified. Where can I get more info on this and any one who wants to throw in there two cents worth please do so, I find this interesting.
 
there’s a thread on this already in progress under the ‘spirituality’ forum heading.

but to sort of answer your question, there’s a good book by joan carroll cruz that discusses the phenomena. i’d like to find the church’s teaching on the subject, though. anyone who knows, please direct the info to the thread in the spirituality section. thanks!
 
They are for the most part considered “Private Revelation” so you won’t find much on this in Church teaching. Tests have been conducted on bodies and parts found in the condition they were in several hundred years before when the person died. No unnatural substances were found in or on them. They simply in most cases look like they are sleeping with no deterioration from the several hundred years in the grave.
 
not a fantasy - it’s true and miraculous! Fundamentalists tend to discount it for a lot of reasons, one of which is that they believe miracles ceased with the ascension of Christ and private revelation ended with the death of the 12 apostles.
 
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Jennifer123:
not a fantasy - it’s true and miraculous! Fundamentalists tend to discount it for a lot of reasons, one of which is that they believe miracles ceased with the ascension of Christ and private revelation ended with the death of the 12 apostles.
Except of course for those “private messages” that their pastors get! lol
 
there are alot of fundementalists who believe in miracles. once again, it’s next to impossible to nail down what prots believe, as you’ll find two of them on the same pew who believe opposite things. i can tell ya, i was there. 🙂
 
To my beliefs, there are a couple of Saints that have their bodies corruptable. So far I heard. It’s a miracle declared by the Church. One Saint is well known and that Saint is St. Therese of The Child Jesus. The second one is Bl. Pope John XXIII. I think I have heard of St. Rose of Lima but, I’m not totally sure. Anyway, that’s all I’ve heard.
 
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Jennifer123:
not a fantasy - it’s true and miraculous! Fundamentalists tend to discount it for a lot of reasons, one of which is that they believe miracles ceased with the ascension of Christ and private revelation ended with the death of the 12 apostles.
Yes I must agree, in reading this it reminded me a little of the Jew’s telling the guards to tell everyone that they were sleeping when they came and took Jesus body away so everyone would believe in him… :rolleyes:
There are so many books on this topic and not one comes to mind right now. But if you look up Tan books or Ignatius Press you may find some very good books on the Incorrupt.
When I went to the Cathedral in Lisbon, we saw some of the saints, but it has been awhile. I have also seen many pictures of these incorrupted saints.🙂
 
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Jennifer123:
not a fantasy - it’s true and miraculous! Fundamentalists tend to discount it for a lot of reasons, one of which is that they believe miracles ceased with the ascension of Christ and private revelation ended with the death of the 12 apostles.
It is also true that sometimes when a body is discovered to be incorrupt that it may be “helped” to remain that way. When the conditions (other than the spiritual ones) which may have preserved a body intact are changed by exhumation/exposure, measures may be taken to sustain the state of preservation. Nothing secret here. If natural conditions are responsible for perfect preservation, is that not also something of a miracle?
 
The phenomenon is definitely true - i saw dozens in Italy (Rome, Florence), in various degress of preservation, one a bishop, another a womean - it has been a few years and I can’t remember exactly who they were, but I sure took plenty of pictures. I think it is St. Theresa, mentioned above, who is brought out on her feast day - still soft and pliable - i didn’'t see her, but the woman that I did see, under glass, was dead about 3-400 years and still pink and soft - very amazing!
 
St. Bernadette still looks so beautiful!!

What year did she die?

There is no way this could occur without it being a miracle.

Funny - you never see things like this in Newsweek.
 
Dizzy_Dave Incorruptability doesn’t just happen to Catholics, it can happen to anyone given the right environmental conditions. That is why the Church investigates the life of the person carefully in the process of canonization. Many of the bodies of the saints have been found decomposed upon exhumation. The one I find interesting is St. Anthony of Padua (a personal favorite of my husband’s family as they are Portugese) the only part of him that was found to be incorrupt was his tongue - he was probably one of the greatest preachers in the history of the Franciscan Order.
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There are plenty of reports of incorrupt canonized saints in Church history. However, it remains a puzzling phenomenon and I really wonder whether it is a mark of sanctity. For example, the body of Francis of Assissi is most definitely corrupt. Does that mean he was less of a saint than those whose bodies are incorrupt?
 
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There are plenty of reports of incorrupt canonized saints in Church history. However, it remains a puzzling phenomenon and I really wonder whether it is a mark of sanctity. For example, the body of Francis of Assissi is most definitely corrupt. Does that mean he was less of a saint than those whose bodies are incorrupt?
To answer your question, NO!

In fact, incorruptability is NOT one of the things looked for in the Beatification/Canonization process of a saint-candidate but rather he or she’s personal sanctity. Most of the saints are CORRUPT to their very bones in the grave, including some very famous ones, such as St. Therese of Lisiux (“The Little Flower”), the phenomenon occuring to only with a very few saints, and even today, and many of them are simply mummies, naturally so due to the natural environment at burial.

I know of no saint, whose incorruptability is declared miraculous by the Church! In fact, I understand that a special commission by the Church with science and medical experts have recently examined such claims and found most of them as non-miraculous, with only a few that may be. Yet, the Church refrains from declaring on such things.

St. Bernardette of Lourdes is a startling example of a person dead since the mid1800’s, yet her flesh remains perfectly pliable as if she had died recently! On the other hand, will her body remain so preserved, say, 100 years later? I personally believe that God may indeed perform such a miracle for a given saint for a certain time, yet later in time, the body returns to dust.

Complicating the issue is the use or non-use of embalming fluids. Stalin is perfectly preserve in his tomb in Moscow, but such a preservation is not miraclous simply because there is a natural reason for his preservation. Many of the incorruptable saints are naturally preserved as well, thus such preservation is likewise non-miraculous.

On the other hand, some of these saints are preserved under the most terrible of conditions, with no embalming envolved, yet are still preserved! St. Charbell Makhlouf, a holy Maronite Rite monk, has been dead since 1898. He was buried in his monks habit, directly into the ground without a coffin!

Get Joan Carrol Cruz’s book, The Incorruptibles, ISBN:0-89555-066-0, to read this story of the phenomenon that caused the monastary to exhume him, place him in a coffin, and from which further “fluids” would ooze from the body and other miraculous phenomenon, let alone the incorrupt condition of the body!

Yet the Church ramains silent on such things! Even this, the most spectacular of the incorruptable phenomenon recorded in the last part of the book, remain without any declaration at all, save the fact that the man was declared a saint in 1977.

Again, incorruptability is not a requirement for a person to be canonized a saint, but there is no doubt that such phenomenon does get the thinking process started as to the sanctity of the individual. Yet, the phenomenon remains outside of the actual determination of sanctity.

Does God do these things for those examples he wants to display to all of us? I believe so, St. Bernardette, St. Charbell Makhlouf, St. John Vianny, among a few others, are examples that exist today.

God bless,

PAX

Bill+†+

For those who believe, no proof is necessary;
For those who do not believe, no proof is possible.
 
hello-
you really have no faith right?
how could you say such a thing? i am praying for you and yours. do you actually think someone would take the time to embalm a body that has been dead foe hundreds or even thousands of years? i hope you graduated from h.s. dont you think a body would be a sandpile aqfter 700 or 800 yrs? try going to adult rcia and not kindergarten rcia…please ask god for forgiveness. may mother mary pray for you for your days left here.
 
taken from the website, geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8437/incorrupt.html

“There are many more Catholic Saints laying around incorrupt like this, such as St. Germaine Cousin and St. Romuald. The only known Protestant that is laying incorrupt is Medgar Evers.”

Check out these sites for further information…
members.aol.com/ccmail/incorruptbodies.html
apocatastasis.freeserve.co.uk/holyin.htm

Also, one site recommended checking out Joan Carrol Cruz’s book The Incorruptibles.
Medgar Evers was embalmed and cannot be considered incorrupt.

Pope John XXIII was embalmed (therefore not incorrupt) in 1963. I saw his body on display in St. Peter’s Basilica a few years ago. Is is in amazing shape.

I have seen several incorrupt in Europe. It is remarkable.

Being incorrupt isn’t a requirement for being declared a Saint.
 
What I cannot seem to get an answer to (although admittedly I haven’t researched this a great deal) is how does the incorruptability of the saints compare with the population at large? And how can we know? Most people are either buried or creamated so without exuming bodies can we tell who and how many are “incorrupt”?

Also, of course, we’d have to consider environment. Would St. Bernadette still be incorrupt if her body were not in the glass container and were instead in a conventional casket that may have been used at the time?

Is it incorruptability of convenience and circumstance, or incorruptability imposed supernaturally? And how can we be sure?
 
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