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opop
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Incorruptibility is perhaps not what we think:
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Wm777
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I watched the video.
I didn’t like it because of the jokes, but I can see the point.
I used to know an FBI crime scene investigator as a distant acquaintance, and he said sometimes bodies actually do not decay normally. I thought this was untrue because places like “body farms” actually do studies on the decomposition rates of corpses for forensic purposes. The information is actually used in courts of law for chronological purposes. But even in secular forensic cases, like the death of Pauline Reade, where the victim is found decades later looking like they were alive yesterday, it seems to confound the body farm types of studies. In any case, all this stuff is probably why the Vatican only looks “favorably” upon incorruptibility as miraculous.
It’s worth noting, as the ancient accounts have it, there is usually a lot of other secondary supernatural phenomena accompanying miraculous incorruptibility.
Take the relic of Bernadette Soubirous. The mere picture of her incorrupt body was the beginning of my reversion in later life. But it wasn’t just her relic. Look at the entire story of Lourdes. The miracles that occurred within her order, occur around her relic, and occur at Lourdes itself still today. There’s so much supernatural evidence to draw from - whether a Saint is incorruptible or not seems “favorable”, but it’s probably secondary to whatever graces and blessings are “in effect” within a given area…
I didn’t like it because of the jokes, but I can see the point.
I used to know an FBI crime scene investigator as a distant acquaintance, and he said sometimes bodies actually do not decay normally. I thought this was untrue because places like “body farms” actually do studies on the decomposition rates of corpses for forensic purposes. The information is actually used in courts of law for chronological purposes. But even in secular forensic cases, like the death of Pauline Reade, where the victim is found decades later looking like they were alive yesterday, it seems to confound the body farm types of studies. In any case, all this stuff is probably why the Vatican only looks “favorably” upon incorruptibility as miraculous.
It’s worth noting, as the ancient accounts have it, there is usually a lot of other secondary supernatural phenomena accompanying miraculous incorruptibility.
Take the relic of Bernadette Soubirous. The mere picture of her incorrupt body was the beginning of my reversion in later life. But it wasn’t just her relic. Look at the entire story of Lourdes. The miracles that occurred within her order, occur around her relic, and occur at Lourdes itself still today. There’s so much supernatural evidence to draw from - whether a Saint is incorruptible or not seems “favorable”, but it’s probably secondary to whatever graces and blessings are “in effect” within a given area…
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Irishmom2
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Wow, despite their message, they were really annoying.
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Tis_Bearself
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Sainthood is not dependent on incorruptibility. It’s an interesting thing, sometimes nice if the body smells like roses or whatever, but there are plenty of saints who decayed naturally.
Bl. Cardinal Newman is about to be canonized, and he not only decayed, his body completely disappeared to the point where all they found in the dirt was the metal handle of the coffin.
I’m not going to watch that video because the lady making the face turns me off. What a weird looking expression, like she is smelling something bad.
Edited to add, I’m also guessing that with modern embalming methods, incorruptibility is going to be pretty moot going forward. I understand Pope Pius XII was embalmed by some experimental method that caused his corpse to rot and even explode in the middle of his funeral. I doubt that’s going to affect his sainthood cause in the least.
Bl. Cardinal Newman is about to be canonized, and he not only decayed, his body completely disappeared to the point where all they found in the dirt was the metal handle of the coffin.
I’m not going to watch that video because the lady making the face turns me off. What a weird looking expression, like she is smelling something bad.
Edited to add, I’m also guessing that with modern embalming methods, incorruptibility is going to be pretty moot going forward. I understand Pope Pius XII was embalmed by some experimental method that caused his corpse to rot and even explode in the middle of his funeral. I doubt that’s going to affect his sainthood cause in the least.
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FiveLinden
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If the purpose of God in miraculously allowing some bodies to remain uncorrupted is to build faith it would be good if instead of the rather decayed examples claimed to be such miracles bodies were preserved, say, in fires, or floating in a warm sea, or after being blown up by a bomb. Miracles impress only when they are miraculous. There are good examples of impressive mysteries in the Bible.
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Bonaventurian
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Considering that in the final judgment all will be resurrected and restored to their bodies, having an incorrupt body doesn’t really make a difference one way or the other. An interesting video, even though the commentators were insufferable.
Tis_Bearself
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The Church does not, these days, consider an incorrupt body to be “miraculous”. Pretty much the only things the Church will call a miracle for some decades now is a medical cure with no known explanation confirmed by multiple doctors.
It would be foolish to rely on an incorrupt body to build faith, when as I pointed out we have saints with their bodies in all kinds of conditions. Saint A who didn’t decay isn’t considered greater than Saint B who did.
Someone whose faith hinged on the fact that a body didn’t decay would have some significant issues that they would do well to address.
It would be foolish to rely on an incorrupt body to build faith, when as I pointed out we have saints with their bodies in all kinds of conditions. Saint A who didn’t decay isn’t considered greater than Saint B who did.
Someone whose faith hinged on the fact that a body didn’t decay would have some significant issues that they would do well to address.
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mrsdizzyd
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Ok, this is the blog mentioned in the video…
I don’t think I’m Catholic enough for this blog yet!
I don’t think I’m Catholic enough for this blog yet!
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Wm777
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btw, the name of that YouTube channel is “Ask A Mortician”…
So… the future of funeral homes and mortuary science is starting to look like a glam and disruptive YouTube channel done in the name of goth-driven millenialism…
Oh, yay, what fun…
They’re apparently touting Christianity here, but - even when Christ resurrected Lazarus - he wept…
Some things in life aren’t a matter of mere knowledge and curiosity… Human empathy and compassion are lessons learned over time… ethics is another…
Something tells me this marketing ploy is eventually something that will come back to haunt them… if not now, then when they themselves will have to meet their maker…
If they’re really morticians, which somehow I doubt, then they have a responsibility not just to their own business concerns, but also those of the public and the science as a profession…
Even undertakers in the old western movies never really seemed to make such a disrespectful mockery of passing over…
So… the future of funeral homes and mortuary science is starting to look like a glam and disruptive YouTube channel done in the name of goth-driven millenialism…
Oh, yay, what fun…
They’re apparently touting Christianity here, but - even when Christ resurrected Lazarus - he wept…
Some things in life aren’t a matter of mere knowledge and curiosity… Human empathy and compassion are lessons learned over time… ethics is another…
Something tells me this marketing ploy is eventually something that will come back to haunt them… if not now, then when they themselves will have to meet their maker…
If they’re really morticians, which somehow I doubt, then they have a responsibility not just to their own business concerns, but also those of the public and the science as a profession…
Even undertakers in the old western movies never really seemed to make such a disrespectful mockery of passing over…
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opop
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Indeed, I found some jokes disturbing too.
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