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[From: Marilyn]
To: Mark Vanderheyden
[Mark’s Reply]
All you have to do is ride around with the police for a while to suddenly realize that evil is merely a different society. If the Godfathers of the world suddenly took over, criminals became the norm, and the police forces were abolished forever, what is different? Almost immediately, the Godfathers and leaders would emerge, and require some force, what we would initially think of as thugs, to enforce their will. Their will, ofcourse, would be self serving, but ultimately, they would evolve toward the realization that if you keep the little people happy, the big people profit
by it. So they would establish a set of rules, different from our ofcourse, and those rules would evolve to best suit the needs of the many. Rules are worthless without enforcement, so they would train these thugs. Well, the ones that themselves can’t follow the rules would be soon weeded out, and eventually you would create a force, put a uniform on it, and use it to maintain the society. A rank structure would occur - ofcourse - any
organization with more than one people has a rank structure - (even including non-human species - monkees, apes and wolves, deer and pretty much any animal that is social develops a social strata and rank structure), within the force and even through the whoel society, and we would have come full circle. This can take a long time sometimes, occassionally getting stuck in something like the “dark ages”, but with technology and knowledge what it is, I don’t think such a dark age could ever occur again.
My POINT in all this is that a given individuals rights are defended not because he is right or wrong, but because the prinicple of the law must be maintained in order to preserve the society as it exists. If the laws need to be changed, they will be, as they evolve, and hopefully improve.
Do not be outraged that one individual “got away” with something. If you pick up a handful of sand, a few grains WILL slip through no matter how carefully you cup your hand. You still have the vast majority of the sand in your hand. Do ask why the individual got away, ask why he could not be prosecuted, what the “system” was protecting.
I am furious sometimes when we KNOW that something is going on in a given house, we KNOW it is a drug house, we KNOW it is ruining the neighbourhood, hurting the children,
tearing at the fabric of the society, yet what if police were allowed to thunder at the door in the middle of the night, burst in and seize anything?
They’de be at YOUR door before the end of the month. With absolute power in their hands, just as evil as the force you are trying to eradicate. Prostitution is legal in Nevada, dope is legal in many countries, euthenasia (no doubt spelled incorrectly) is legal in Denmark. What is “right” is merely a definition that matures with a given society.
Hahahahaha we (all humans) still agree on the basics, but really, even that is questionable sometimes. A child in Afghanistan or Iraq makes an excellent walking bomb carrier. Train it from birth, say for five years, then wrap it in C-4, put a timer on it, and send it walking into the Canadian Compound. It is useless for anything else until it is atleast old enough aim a gun, it consumes food and resources that are all too scarce, it can be replaced in fact by the rather pleasant practice of raping a few
women who will then feed and tend to it until it too is ready to be gift wrapped. AND consider this! Once the Canadian soldiers SEE the bomb coming, many things can happen. Someone can shoot the child, in which case we have a little innocent child martyr, and the international news agencies will be outraged no matter how they present it, thus the Canadians are babykillers.
If the bullet hits the high explosives, the bang will be a little premature, but heck, it will still do some damage. And the Canadians are babykillers.
And if no one can actually bring themselves to point a rifle and kill a child, then the child walks in and kills a handful. Hmmmmm how about one man walks out to the child, and attempts to defuse the bomb? No, “remote detonation”. Even if it was a timer, chances are the child and the soldier will die - one small child who is not going to consume resources and cost money, in exchange for the bravest soldier in the pack who had the balls to walk out and try. Hmmmmmm. Good deal. The problem there is societies collide - we have an emotional response to children, where others may be considerably more “pragmatic”. It’s a balance, I suppose…
-Marcus.
To: Mark Vanderheyden
Subject: RE: Are Individual Rights Defended Because They Are Essential to a Lawful, Civilized Society …& God’s Will? …Or Does Relativism Apply?
[Mark’s Reply]
All you have to do is ride around with the police for a while to suddenly realize that evil is merely a different society. If the Godfathers of the world suddenly took over, criminals became the norm, and the police forces were abolished forever, what is different? Almost immediately, the Godfathers and leaders would emerge, and require some force, what we would initially think of as thugs, to enforce their will. Their will, ofcourse, would be self serving, but ultimately, they would evolve toward the realization that if you keep the little people happy, the big people profit
by it. So they would establish a set of rules, different from our ofcourse, and those rules would evolve to best suit the needs of the many. Rules are worthless without enforcement, so they would train these thugs. Well, the ones that themselves can’t follow the rules would be soon weeded out, and eventually you would create a force, put a uniform on it, and use it to maintain the society. A rank structure would occur - ofcourse - any
organization with more than one people has a rank structure - (even including non-human species - monkees, apes and wolves, deer and pretty much any animal that is social develops a social strata and rank structure), within the force and even through the whoel society, and we would have come full circle. This can take a long time sometimes, occassionally getting stuck in something like the “dark ages”, but with technology and knowledge what it is, I don’t think such a dark age could ever occur again.
My POINT in all this is that a given individuals rights are defended not because he is right or wrong, but because the prinicple of the law must be maintained in order to preserve the society as it exists. If the laws need to be changed, they will be, as they evolve, and hopefully improve.
Do not be outraged that one individual “got away” with something. If you pick up a handful of sand, a few grains WILL slip through no matter how carefully you cup your hand. You still have the vast majority of the sand in your hand. Do ask why the individual got away, ask why he could not be prosecuted, what the “system” was protecting.
I am furious sometimes when we KNOW that something is going on in a given house, we KNOW it is a drug house, we KNOW it is ruining the neighbourhood, hurting the children,
tearing at the fabric of the society, yet what if police were allowed to thunder at the door in the middle of the night, burst in and seize anything?
They’de be at YOUR door before the end of the month. With absolute power in their hands, just as evil as the force you are trying to eradicate. Prostitution is legal in Nevada, dope is legal in many countries, euthenasia (no doubt spelled incorrectly) is legal in Denmark. What is “right” is merely a definition that matures with a given society.
Hahahahaha we (all humans) still agree on the basics, but really, even that is questionable sometimes. A child in Afghanistan or Iraq makes an excellent walking bomb carrier. Train it from birth, say for five years, then wrap it in C-4, put a timer on it, and send it walking into the Canadian Compound. It is useless for anything else until it is atleast old enough aim a gun, it consumes food and resources that are all too scarce, it can be replaced in fact by the rather pleasant practice of raping a few
women who will then feed and tend to it until it too is ready to be gift wrapped. AND consider this! Once the Canadian soldiers SEE the bomb coming, many things can happen. Someone can shoot the child, in which case we have a little innocent child martyr, and the international news agencies will be outraged no matter how they present it, thus the Canadians are babykillers.
If the bullet hits the high explosives, the bang will be a little premature, but heck, it will still do some damage. And the Canadians are babykillers.
And if no one can actually bring themselves to point a rifle and kill a child, then the child walks in and kills a handful. Hmmmmm how about one man walks out to the child, and attempts to defuse the bomb? No, “remote detonation”. Even if it was a timer, chances are the child and the soldier will die - one small child who is not going to consume resources and cost money, in exchange for the bravest soldier in the pack who had the balls to walk out and try. Hmmmmmm. Good deal. The problem there is societies collide - we have an emotional response to children, where others may be considerably more “pragmatic”. It’s a balance, I suppose…
-Marcus.