Indult Rumor & Modern Architecture

[Ham1]

“Sarcasm”…which has a noble lineage in the best of ROMAN traditions…is a useful rhetorical device when facing liturgical realities in some locales:

1. Can we have a Tridentine Mass?

No, the church architecture doesn’t allow it.

1. Why did you change the architecture?

We lied and said “Vatican II” required it, even though not a word in a single document required what we did.

1. Can we change the architecture back?

Of course not.

1. So can we have a Tridentine Mass in this parish?

No.

Where are the people doing this? I haven’t heard of it anywhere. Is this really going on or are you just predicting that it will happen?

Why would anyone think the tridentine mass can’t be said in any Church? Is there an altar? A couple of portable kneelers?

 

[kaygee]

The Church where I occasionally attend the indult doesn’t have an altar rail. No one sits in the front row of pews, and they receive communion there. At another church, they wheel in some kneelers and have a makeshift altar rail. There’s always a way.

Not quite on topic, but I attend a Melkite Divine Liturgy held between Roman Masses in a Western style church that has graciously allowed us to use their space. Our deacon and his sons have made a nice Iconostasion on wheels that encloses the altar area. Priest and altar servers have it down to a science – 10 minutes to convert the Western altar area to Eastern and 10 minutes to convert it back. If that’s possible, anything’s possible. It is make-shift but it need not LOOK that way.

 

[tradcathconvert]

Here is what we have done where I attend the TLM. It is usually in the chapel where the old altar and communion rail are still in place. Of course, that is what we use. We move the altar for the new Mass out of the way and put it back afterwards.
In the rare instances when our Mass was in the main church, we made it as traditional as possible. Two pre-dieus (sp.?) were used for people to kneel for communion. A large crucifix was placed where the priest usually stands to face the people during the new Mass. The main difference was that, unlike in the chapel, there was no tabernacle on the altar.
I suspect that in a lot of churches, if the universal indult is granted and they want to use it, accomdations will have to be made similar to what we did in our main church. I admit we do prefer Mass in our chapel because it is a more appropriate setting for the traditional liturgy.

 

[JM_Pritchett]

Not quite on topic, but I attend a Melkite Divine Liturgy held between Roman Masses in a Western style church that has graciously allowed us to use their space. Our deacon and his sons have made a nice Iconostasion on wheels that encloses the altar area. Priest and altar servers have it down to a science – 10 minutes to convert the Western altar area to Eastern and 10 minutes to convert it back. If that’s possible, anything’s possible. It is make-shift but it need not LOOK that way.

This brings some comfort to me. While just one example it shows that while something can be make-shift it is still done is a reverent style.

Thank you for your positive contribution.

 

[JM_Pritchett]

“Sarcasm”…which has a noble lineage in the best of ROMAN traditions…is a useful rhetorical device when facing liturgical realities in some locales:

1. Can we have a Tridentine Mass?

No, the church architecture doesn’t allow it.

1. Why did you change the architecture?

We lied and said “Vatican II” required it, even though not a word in a single document required what we did.

1. Can we change the architecture back?

Of course not.

1. So can we have a Tridentine Mass in this parish?

No.

Good man. My post didn’t take issue with your sarcasm so much as the lack luster use it - sarcasm without humor or wit woven into it is dull…too dull for such an august subject (see I can cite things Roman too).

 

[netmilsmom]

You need to come to Sydney Mel - most of the churches here, at least in the older more central parts of the city, have kept their beautiful high altars and tabernacles front and centre.

Just another reason to get back.
And my nieces that I have never seen in person. sob