Indult TLM'ers--which calendar?

[Charleston]

I was looking at the violet vestments of our celebrant yesterday while trying to explain Septuagesima Sunday to my 14 year old daughter (which I only knew about cause I had earlier in the day read my missal) and a question came to me.

Namely, which calendar do my fellow indult TLM’ers structure their “inner” liturgical life around? I thought about this a bit too last week on February 1st which was the feast day in the '62 Missal of St. Ignatius of Anitoch–who’s one of my favorite early Fathers. It was a feria day for the modern rite.

My wife loves me dearly but thinks I’m a bit of a nut with my devotion to the TLM. Having two, often different liturgical calendars for my family can be rather difficult also.

Best, :tiphat:

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

I live a discombobulated liturgical calendar. It all depends on what sort of devotion I’m using for the day. Sometimes I’ll use the propers from my '62 missal, in which case I’m often thinking of the saint memorialized in that calendar, but I also try to read to my daughter from my Butler’s (concise) Lives of the Saints, which is now structured around the new calendar. So I don’t follow one or the other, just what I happen to come across for that day. It’s not a good system, but it’s what happens.

 

[parvenu74]

I grew up with nothing but the TLM and have only ever been to one new Mass, but I was young enough to not have much of a clue of what was going on for it to make a difference to me. I’ve always been aware that the new Mass follows “that other new calendar” but have never really looked at it until recently. What strikes me most is the idea of “ordinary time” which seems to me to significantly water down not only the devotional preparation and celebration, but also the implied catechism of the old calendar. No season of Epiphany, just ordinary time. No season of Pentecost, just ordinary time. And so on.

Let’s take yesterday’s feast for example. On the new calendar it’s just another Sunday in ordinary time; on the old calendar it’s Septuagesima Sunday: we’re beginning now the Easter cycle and devoting a full nine Sundays, something of a liturgical novena, to the preparation for Easter and the renewal of the celebration of Christ making redemption possible for us.

I suppose if I studied this more and did more comparison and contrast I might come up with some other observations… or maybe not (I’m not an expert in comparative liturgical studies).

 

[Unfinished]

I was looking at the violet vestments of our celebrant yesterday while trying to explain Septuagesima Sunday to my 14 year old daughter (which I only knew about cause I had earlier in the day read my missal) and a question came to me.

Namely, which calendar do my fellow indult TLM’ers structure their “inner” liturgical life around? I thought about this a bit too last week on February 1st which was the feast day in the '62 Missal of St. Ignatius of Anitoch–who’s one of my favorite early Fathers. It was a feria day for the modern rite.

My wife loves me dearly but thinks I’m a bit of a nut with my devotion to the TLM. Having two, often different liturgical calendars for my family can be rather difficult also.

Best, :tiphat:

Well, it can be troublesome.

I try and follow the traditional calender simply because that is the one followed when I attend Mass. However, I pray the Divine Office and that is based off of the new calender.

So in general, because my prayer life is structured around the new one, I follow that during the week. (Unless I get to go to daily Mass. Then I am all messed up unless the days happen to be the same). Then I swap over to the traditional one for Sunday.

And whenever I think it gets on my nerves, I feel sorry for my poor priest. He has to follow BOTH without fail to cater to everyone.

 

[AJV]

I grew up with nothing but the TLM and have only ever been to one new Mass, but I was young enough to not have much of a clue of what was going on for it to make a difference to me. I’ve always been aware that the new Mass follows “that other new calendar” but have never really looked at it until recently. What strikes me most is the idea of “ordinary time” which seems to me to significantly water down not only the devotional preparation and celebration, but also the implied catechism of the old calendar. No season of Epiphany, just ordinary time. No season of Pentecost, just ordinary time. And so on.

Let’s take yesterday’s feast for example. On the new calendar it’s just another Sunday in ordinary time; on the old calendar it’s Septuagesima Sunday: we’re beginning now the Easter cycle and devoting a full nine Sundays, something of a liturgical novena, to the preparation for Easter and the renewal of the celebration of Christ making redemption possible for us.

I suppose if I studied this more and did more comparison and contrast I might come up with some other observations… or maybe not (I’m not an expert in comparative liturgical studies).

I think it was Louis Bouyer who wrote a cricitcism of the way the new calendar ranks its seasons. I’ll see whether I can find it online.

 

[Charleston]

Unfinished wrote: I try and follow the traditional calender simply because that is the one followed when I attend Mass. However, I pray the Divine Office and that is based off of the new calender.

Aye, I’m pretty much in the same boat.

I soooo hope that after Baronius Press republishes the '62 LOTH I can get permission from my formation director to use that for my Divine Office commitment. I think that would make me less schizophrenic with trying to make sense of the two liturgical calendars.

Best, :tiphat:

 

[Unfinished]

Aye, I’m pretty much in the same boat.

I soooo hope that after Baronius Press republishes the '62 LOTH I can get permission from my formation director to use that for my Divine Office commitment. I think that would make me less schizophrenic with trying to make sense of the two liturgical calendars.

Best, :tiphat:

Be warned, it is looooong. It goes on and on for each prayer.

I saw one on ebay the other day, the old Office in the Latin/English version. (They only put out the Latin/English one for ONE year).

cgi.ebay.com/Divine-Office-LATIN-ENGLISH-3v-Set-CATHOLIC-Breviary_W0QQitemZ140082315839QQihZ004QQcategoryZ29223QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Okay…it’s pricey.

But you can find the pre 63 Latin Only version for cheap. My grasp of the language is not that good yet, so I will need my English for a few more semesters.

 

[Charleston]

Be warned, it is looooong. It goes on and on for each prayer.

Hey, I can recite 9-18 Psalms for Matins–I’m a hard core, tough, Traditionalist–just look at my St. Andrew’s Daily Missal!!

Best, :tiphat:

 

[Unfinished]

Hey, I can recite 9-18 Psalms for Matins–I’m a hard core, tough, Traditionalist–just look at my St. Andrew’s Daily Missal!!

Best, :tiphat:

Haha. I was listening to some monks chant the old office, and they chanted so nicely I didn’t want it to end. But then I remembered they were an all traditional order, so there was ALWAYS another psalm.

 

[Andreas_Hofer]

So in general, because my prayer life is structured around the new one, I follow that during the week. (Unless I get to go to daily Mass. Then I am all messed up unless the days happen to be the same). Then I swap over to the traditional one for Sunday.

I feel you on the complication of a traditional Sunday and new week. My life gets even messier because my wife and I visit our parents fairly often, and thus worship with them, but since they don’t drive an hour to the nearest TLM (I doubt they’d be interested) we switch calendars sometimes from Sunday to Sunday.

 

[Caesar]

I have to follow the New Liturgical Calendar since my regular parish is NO, but I try to follow the 1962 Calendar when I can.

 

[Trident59]

We follow the Traditional calendar except when we have to go to the NO Mass.

A true devotee of the TLM, with the ability to attend the TLM on a regular basis, can not be “true” to the Latin Mass of Pius V if they Switch Hit. However, having said all of that, we do what we can to attend Mass in what ever circumstances we find ourselves.