Infinite past equals infinite task

  • Thread starter Thread starter thinkandmull
  • Start date Start date
Status
Not open for further replies.
T

thinkandmull

Guest
It is said that if someone, in order to move his hand had to do another task, and in order to do that task had to do another, and on to infinity- that this cannot be done. Imagine a series of lights going in a line out towards the horizon. In order to do the first (light the first light) task the second light light must go on, and in order to do the second the third must go on, to infinity. If this is an impossible task, just reverse the line and you will see that it is impossible for there to always have been motion. You would never get to now.
 
Not necessarily.

Consider Zeno’s Paradox of the Tortoise and Achilles.
 
I am aware of that paradox

I don’t consider a paradox of space to be the same as a paradox of time (and motion, which isn’t accidental to time)
 
Time is a very personal thing. We interact with time and write poems about it. I don’t believe an insolvable paradox applies to time itself. Time, when truly felt, is known to have had a beginning. My point in the opening post was that Aquinas’s accidental and per se infinities were really the same thing, the exact same series

To argue for God, one has to realize that matter works similar to a clock. There is one motion before another motion, and one behind that. Matter is in the zone of time. Something outside this must have started the series.
 
Historical note: John Philoponus may have been the first to create my argument. He wrote Contra Aristotlem which has been lost. His rebuttal of Aristotle was six books long
 
The argument assumes that time is unicursal, but this is only required if entropic matter is present. This would not be the case in infinite time.

The material cosmos however, could not be infinitely old because the law of entropy would have long since run its course.

ICXC NIKA
 
GEddie said:
The argument assumes that time is unicursal, but this is only required if entropic matter is present. This would not be the case in infinite time.

The material cosmos however, could not be infinitely old because the law of entropy would have long since run its course.

ICXC NIKA
Click to expand...
The geometrical model we imagine the infinite series to lie on is irrelevant. We can’t really know how the universe was before the big bang, or whether there were multi-universes. But this cannot go back forever because of metaphysical reasons given above
 
According to the theory of relativity, “time” is just a property of the STEM (space-time-energy-matter). There is no “absolute” time (or space) which would exist independently from the universe. The old Newtonian model of absolute time and absolute space has been rendered obsolete. And any metaphysics which does have its foundation is real physics is worthless. 🙂
 
Matter cannot exist without time. If you disagree, how do you know a toaster outside time didn’t create the world? I find that ridiculous, and I hope you see what I’m seeing as well
 
Both are true. Scientists claim they know what happened 14 billions years ago but they can’t prove it. How can anyone know what factors came to play back then, and what forces are hidden from us. It remains a fact though that matter is not thought nor spiritual, that it cannot tick away like a bomb towards the big bang without being started, nah created, by a spiritual force. An infinite dominoe effect of material causes can never reach a point. It can never reach the beginning of the universe. The universe is rational so it must make mathematical sense with regard to its origin, even if somethings in the universe latter make no sense to us
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top