Initiating the Cause for Abp. Elias Zoghby

[Hesychios]

… if we trace it back to its ultimate roots, then Orthodox could mean in Communion with Rome because for the first 10 centuries (or so) they were.

Yes, in the first centuries!

But sadly, no longer.

 

[Friar_David_O.Carm]

Yes, in the first centuries!

But sadly, no longer.

Yes. just as some Orthodox insist on using the word Catholic, just as Orthodox Catholic.

I guess I am coming around to the realization that no one owns either of those words and those that chose to use them may do so, though it can and does cause confusion.

 

[Harpazo]

Yes. just as some Orthodox insist on using the word Catholic, just as Orthodox Catholic.

Ah yes, but we have been told not to use that phrase, even though it is one of the canonical names for our Communion.

I guess I am coming around to the realization that no one owns either of those words and those that chose to use them may do so, though it can and does cause confusion.

I have been told that in both the Eastern and Western geographical areas of Christianity, the two words were interchangeable. But again, we Orthodox are not permitted to say that we are “Orthodox Catholics” on this forum. If I were to say “Catholic Christian in communion with Patriarch Maxim of Bulgaria” what sort of reaction would I get from the Catholics of these fora?

Perhaps, Catholics feel that no side has “ownership” over the words, but Orthodox believe one side does. However, note that Protestants would say the same things to Catholics.

In Christ,
Andrew

 

[sidbrown]

I think the Orthodox would say that the Catholics are holding up unity by refusing to abandon ,what they would call ,the novelties adopted by the Latin church from Frankish influence…

Actually, if you would kindly refer to the Traditional Catholic threads, it would be seen that there are those Catholics who believe that the Catholic Church has accepted a whole lot of novelties since Vatican II, so you don’t have to go all the way back in the centuries to Frankish times for novelties.

 

[bpbasilphx]

Actually, if you would kindly refer to the Traditional Catholic threads, it would be seen that there are those Catholics who believe that the Catholic Church has accepted a whole lot of novelties since Vatican II, so you don’t have to go all the way back in the centuries to Frankish times for novelties.

**Most of these souls think the Pre V2 Latin Church (especially in the USA in the 1950’s) is the eternal standard of traditional Catholicism.

I do my best to point out that Tradtional Catholicism is a bit wider than this view holds.**

 

[Hesychios]

I guess I am coming around to the realization that no one owns either of those words and those that chose to use them may do so, though it can and does cause confusion.

I am coming around to the same conclusion.