Inquisition myths

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Are you only here to throw rocks? I don’t think anyone in this thread denied the Inquisition happened. The sex abuse scandal and your alleged infants buried under the churches are not related to this topic, so please, stick with the topic that is being discussed with each thread. Not only would doing otherwise be breaking the forum’s rules. but it’s only making you look like you’re not interested in the truth or spreading it, but slander, as you have been told in so many threads. You are a guest here, after all.

Now, if you’d like to discuss these topics, please create a topic with each individual subject. You’ll find that we are more than ready to discuss it and correct whatever misinformation you’ve been given.
 
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I suspect this is referring to the Tuam Irish orphanage scandal.
 
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She’s made that allegation in about a dozen threads this morning.
 
I think so. She made her account back in October, posted for about a month, then disappeared until this morning when she pops up posting these accusations in thread after thread.
 
There was also one record I remember that told the fascinating story of a woman accused of cross-dressing
That is interesting because at the local Roman Catholic college they put on an entertainment piece of “drag queens” where male students cross dress as females. Has the Roman Catholic Church has changed its view on cross dressing so that it is now allowed for males to dress as “drag queens”, whereas in the past you could be subject to torture by the inquisition if you did so?
 
That is interesting because at the local Roman Catholic college they put on an entertainment piece of “drag queens” where male students cross dress as females
Depends on what the entertainment is, whether or not it appealed to a prurient interest.

Shakespeare’s works like Romeo and Juliet were done with all-male casts back in the day
 
“No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!” Monty Python fans will know this quote. 😉
 
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As a person of the 21st century, of course I think it is wrong.
Human beings over the course of history have done any number of things that are abhorrent to us now. As time marches on, we grow, learn, change our positions, adjust our moral compasses, etc
In debates I have seen between athiests and thiests it is a lot of times claimed that people get their morality from God and that without good how can right or wrong be known. But when it comes to the Inquisition and other Catholic mistakes it seems all the sudden morality comes from culture context so it’s excused?
Because God gives morality to individual persons. Not nations.

Unfortunately, nations are often ruled by the ruling class, & the ruling class is often filled with people with questionable ethics, morals, etc.

And humans (due our unchecked passions) can be subjected to group think.
 
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Have you got anything without spam?
Dinner 363 days a year?

🙂

There’s a great tale about Audrey Murphy being invited over for dinner after the war, and the hostess proudly serving her spam casserole, an in-thing at the time.

He politely told her that he couldn’t eat it–Spam was basically C-ration, and he couldn’t face another, even for the sake of good manners . . .

hawk
 
@FollowChrist34

If I may ask, what book are you reading? Who’s the author?

Blessings
 
History of the Netherlands (Holland and Belgium) Alexander Young 1899 The Werner Company, Akron Ohio


Before the decease of Charles V, the Netherlands were mainly Catholic and thus the Inquisition did not have a very drastic impact on people’s lives in general. However, with the rapid spread of Calvinism in the early years of the reign of Phillip II his son, its scope widened vastly. The Edicts of 1521 had banned all preaching or practice of the reformed religion, even in private dwellings, and this power was now brought into full swing. Now in the 1550s, the greatest of the Inquisitors was Peter Titelmann, a man described by his contemporaries as being of a demon-like Goblin temperament, knowing neither fear nor mercy.[2]

The people, protesting against the introductions of the Spanish Inquisitions in direct abeyance of all their charters and the oaths of Philip on his succession, were tranquilly told by that monarch that it was a Flemish, not a Spanish, Inquisition. Indeed, Philip had no cause to rue the fact that he had been unable to bring in the system of his own country, himself saying, “Wherefore introduce the Spanish inquisition? The inquisition of the Netherlands is much more pitiless than that of Spain." [1][3]

In fact the new Inquisition was an extraordinarily efficient system; the highest court in the land, it bypassed all common forms of justice, was without the option of appeal, and spared neither rich nor poor. It had the unlimited ability from the king to arrest, torture and execute at will. The powers invested in the Inquisition had been ratified by Philip in the first month of his reign. There were hundreds of cases in these early days of luckless individuals being dragged from their families and subjected to the most gruesome tortures, before being burnt alive at the stake, were they of the masculine sex, or buried alive in the case of women.[1]

Eventually, Flemmings became increasingly antipathetic towards the institution, but the resistance was initially impotent, its members being arrested for heretics. Titelmann himself averred that his person was comparatively safe, as he had to do only with “the innocent and virtuous, who make no resistance, and let themselves be taken like lambs”.[1]

Eventually the spirit of national resistance overcame this obstacle, and the inquisition was effectively withdrawn in 1564, but the troubles of these times did not pass until the lapse of nearly a century, and the end of the Eighty Years’ War.

 
Thank you for the reference. I’ll have to look into it.

Blessings
 
And for a slighly different take - Bloody Mary in England. Poem by Ted Hughes (1970)
The Martyrdom of Bishop Ferrar

Burned by Bloody Mary’s Men at Caermarthon

If I flinch from the pain of the burning, believe not the doctrine that I have preached.—His words at the stake.
Bloody Mary’s venomous flames can curl;
They can shrivel sinew and char bone
Of foot, ankle, knee and thigh, and boil
Bowels, and drop his heart a cinder down;
And her soldiers can cry, as they hurl
Logs in the red rush: “This is her sermon.”

The sullen-jowled watching Welsh townspeople
Hear him crack in the fire’s mouth: they see what
Black oozing twist of stuff bubbles the smell
That tars and retches their lungs: no pulpit
Of his ever held their eyes so still,
Never, as now his agony, his wit.

An ignorant means to establish ownership
Of his flock! Thus their shepherd she seized
And knotted him into this blazing shape
In their eyes, as if such could have cauterized
The trust they turned towards him, and branded on
Its stump her claim, to outlaw question.

So it might have been: seeing their exemplar
And teacher burned for his lessons to black bits,
Their silence might have disowned him to her,
And hung up what he had taught with their Welsh hats:
Who sees his blasphemous father struck by fire
From heaven, might well be heard to speak no oaths.

But the fire that struck here, come from Hell even,
Kindled little heavens in his words
As he fed his body to the flame alive.
Words which, before they will be dumbly spared,
Will burn their body and be tongued with fire
Make paltry folly of flesh and this world’s air.

When they saw what annuities of hours
And comfortable blood he burned to get
His words a bare honouring in their ears,
The shrewd townsfolk pocketed them hot:
Stamp was not current but they rang and shone
As good gold as any queen’s crown.

Gave all he had, and yet the bargain struck
To a merest farthing his whole agony,
His body’s cold-kept miserdom on shrieks
He gave uncounted, while out of his eyes,
Out of his mouth, fire like a glory broke,
And smoke burned his sermon into the skies.
I am not trying to go anti-Catholic here; I just want Catholics to understand (in cases where they don’t already) what harm these religious confrontations did to both sides. If you don’t understand and respect this, you can never really engage Protestants on this subject in a truly Christian way. I would say Protestants also need to understand how they persecuted Catholics - works both ways.
 
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