Insecurities dealing with my GF’s past… just want some feedback

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Isn’t that what life is about, you make mistakes but once you realize what you did you live fully as GOD intended you to do so, repented, and ready to start a new life and another BLESSED DAY?!!! you don’t live in the past you look towards the present and the future in GOD’s name!! 😃 We need to forgive and forget!
 
My original answer wasn’t about people who CHOOSE to follow church teaching. I know many of them. Some of the purest people I know are also the most affectionate, compassionate, loving and non-jealous people around. They are full of joy and happiness toward everyone around them, not only the potential targets of lust. Often they have to cheerfully deflect advances from others who misread that sociability. You can completely remove yourself from the near occasion of sin by climbing into a dark box and avoiding everyone around you. And where is the virtue in that? Your light doesn’t shine before men. As others have said better than I, there are some who are virgins because they avoid the near occasion of sin. There are others who aren’t. Simple as that.

If you have fought the good fight, that is wonderful. Congratulations.

The original post wasn’t even about people like you.

It was about another Church teaching than the one about avoiding the near occasion of sin. It was about the one that had to do with forgiving, sinning no more, and how we should be Christ to those whom we encounter. But I guess in your book, you can love those who sin, but by all means, don’t go marry them.

The saints have all said that the most serious sins are not the sins of the flesh. Your coming here and acting like you are being persecuted and I am not defending Church teaching is laughable. If anyone can find anything in my post that negated Church teaching, please bring it to my attention. Christ Himself said to “Judge not, lest ye be judged.” I was pointing that kind of mercy out to the OP to give him something to think about, because he asked for advice on how to get around the fact that this girl wasn’t perfect.

Now I will revamp my original advice: If you want a perfect wife, don’t get married. There isn’t one out there. The OP was focusing on whether his girlfriend had the V-card still, and what it would mean for their life together. My advice had nothing to do with whether male virgins are ridiculed or looked down upon.

By the way, there is a flip side to that coin for women. The kind of men who see that in a female as a challenge and something they want to “cure,” just because they were the kind of little boys that walked down the street after a snowfall and liked to ruin the perfect snow in all the neighbors’ yards too.

Nobody criticized you for following Church teaching, Norse.

But you aren’t a good advertisement for Catholicism if your adherence to Church teaching causes you to be unfeeling or unloving to those around you. That isn’t the price you pay for following Church teaching. Christ was PURENESS HIMSELF and He was the world’s greatest Lover, Love Incarnate.

We are called to imitate that, not a suppression of emotion that causes the critics of Catholicism to equate religious devotion with mental illness.
I’ll accept most of your explanation, but I still will charitably maintain that the more you look, the more you might find that that the root of virgins staying virgins can be traced to avoiding occasions of sin and bad companions - more often that one might think. And I do maintain that sometimes it does indeed require one to suppress one’s emotions - rememer the “old school” warnings about “guarding one’s thoughts”? You may not consider it a “good advertisement” for Catholicism, but it is something that a lot of us have to do.

Additionally, you mention:
The saints have all said that the most serious sins are not the sins of the flesh.
That is not completely accurate.

First, St. Paul does indeed single fornication as a sin in a class by itself:

“Every other sin a man commits is outside his body, but the fornicator sins against his own body” (1 Cor. 6:18)

Second, I do recall hearing that Our Lady mentioned at Fatima that more people go to hell for sins against the flesh than any other sin.

If we do not correspond any further, have a Merry Christmas.
 
To the OP, I will just offer this observation: based on my own life experience (when I was in my mid-20s, my main concern wasn’t so much with a woman’s past but rather worrying if she would expect me to do something sinful), I think it is easier to overcome insecurities when you are younger. People change as they get older and depending on their experiences, they may get either more desperate or more picky and dig in their heels.
 
The first is** insecurity** on my part, the fear of being compared. I was praying about this in adoration about a week ago and had a sudden thought, while I have not done exactly what she did; I have not exactly always been a saint myself. About the same time she had her transgressions, I struggled with pornography. She could just as easily fear my comparing her to others that I have seen. But I care about her, think she is beautiful (dressed modestly as I have seen her), and those comparisons have never entered my mind. I like her for who she is. This is my way of rationalizing this part of the issue.

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Loving relationships are not like a game of golf, so performance is not central to them.
Comparing each other by past relationships is silly, and an indicator of immaturity.
Seeing the beauty, strengths, and weaknesses in another person is important in choosing a life time partner, but looking for perfection is a good way to end up alone 🙂 .
Young people grow together, and with time, they become very comfortable and happy with each other. Knowing another well and being known by them is a great blessing.
It is intimacy.
This is the
* essence** of marriage, and all other relationships.*
 
YOu know neither my dh or I were perfect when we came into the relationship or with each other. It wasn’t until we got to Pre-CANA that we decided to try celibacy and lived as brother and sister. It was an experience and it was incredible to see how innocent everything felt on our wedding night. It can still be that way for you both through the sacraments of reconcilliation and matrimony.

God bless,
 
. The first is insecurity on my part, the fear of being compared. I was praying about this in adoration about a week ago and had a sudden thought, while I have not done exactly what she did; I have not exactly always been a saint myself. About the same time she had her transgressions, I struggled with pornography. She could just as easily** fear my comparing her to others** that I have seen. But I care about her, think she is beautiful (dressed modestly as I have seen her), and those comparisons have never entered my mind. I like her for who she is. This is my way of rationalizing this part of the issue.
Loving relationships are not like a game of golf, so performance is not central to them.
Comparing each other by past relationships is silly, and an indicater of immaturity.
Seeing the beauty, strengths, and weaknesses in a person one is considering as a life time partner is important, but looking for perfection is a good way to end up alone 🙂 .
Over time, young people grow together, they become happy, and comfortable with each other. Knowing another well, and being known by them, is a great blessing. This is intimacy, and it is the
essence
* and goal of marriage, and all other relationships.*
Give yourselves time to get to know each other well, and this will build trust and bonding. All the rest will fall into place as God leads and guides you both.
 
Hey brother.
My two cents… I think young Americans have a tendency to think of virginity as everything… this I think is greatly overrated. Virginity can be lost in a night… in a bad moment of intoxication, young boldness, ignorance, longing for nearness and intimacy, loneliness, poor spiritual guidance… or temptation that has lasted over a while… Its like… all your future and self-understanding defined through one bad choice… a few seconds or minutes. Can anyone bear that?
My priest said: “If we understood how repugnant is just one small sin… venial or mortal… You see… Its not about the nature of the sin but the nature of our realisation of ourselves”. As King David said: I am a worm not a man.
Luke… are you a worm…? heheh

As for me… I have a bad past too… been under a rock like a worm… despairing, thinking I’ll never date anyone again… that I dont trust men nor myself, that nothing will ever be alright again. To become an alcoholic… to cut myself or end my life… if that would only set me free… You name the dark thoughts… I have had them all. So I dont feel sorry for you but for your gf. And I will say this. If you cant bear her past with her… then let her go to find someone who can. Someone who can give her the peace I know she longs for…
I hope now actually that I will meet a man who is not a virgin because I have found that men who loved me and who were not virgins did have the ability to love me exclusively and wonderfully and without the pride and resentment that some people feel towards each others past when obne thinks him or herself pure while the other was not at their meeting…
As for me… I just lost my virginity and I am not married and will probably not marry this guy who is a non-believer who tempted me repeatedly again and again… I am an adult… I knew everything but still I fell. Even if I feared sin so much… I fell again.
I think someone here was right… many virgins are that because they were never put to the test. Others because they have other weak points than that of their sexuality… others again because they are heroic… these few were tested and came out strong and pure. Those are few… at least where I live… but they exist. They are envied by me not because they are virgins but because they are humble virgins.
Then there is one last thing I must say… I think you are humble and I am not offended at your post even though all such posts are a knife in my heart. Everyone is sad when they learn about a past sexual partner from the beloved… this was not supposed to have happend and the response of sorrow is natural. However… I dont know if I am alone, but I have felt for a loong time that for me it would be much more hard to live with the realisation that a man had looked a 100s of porn-movies than that he had had a few serious relationships that involved sex. Maybe this is just me… but I think a man is no virgin if he has watched porn over a stretch of time and this sin repulse me more than my current boy friends few sexual partners in his past. I am happy he has never watched dirty movies and did not know the word masturbation and found it gross when I explained it to him. this is my honest feeling. I would rather have a man who had had sex with a person he was in love with than one who had watched porn.
We all have our areas of deep darkness that need to be washed and we all need to understand that Jesus is our only justification. No one is good but Him.
… I have found out that the healing comes through unconditional love from friends, family and future boyfriends or girlfriends… those that pity because they love. As Jesus said: Love hides many sins.

Grace
 
It is natural that we are insecure because our partner or prospective partner has shared the same intimacy with someone else. It is a mark of virtue to be able to get over it. To an extent, an inability to get over it may likely mean some issues or perhaps even a failure to be charitable, trusting and hopeful. However, if we are understanding of the weakness which caused people to do what they did to lose the virginity status (which should never be discounted), we all the more so need to be understanding of the insecurities which the lack of virginity of the one partner or prospective partner causes in the other. One cannot say that to lose virginity is a human thing but to be insecure about a partner’s or prospective partner’s non-virginity is not. There is also more to it than the moral judgement of the action. Some consequences hard to deal come not only from the knowledge that the partner or prospective partner at some moment sinned against the sixth commandment. If that were only that, past sins of the partner or prospective partner known to us would cause us an equal amount of sorrow, anguish or insecurity and that is not the case. As I said in the beginning, the human nature struggles with our partner or prospective partner having shared this intimacy with someone before us, although the effect is much weaker in case of situations we can more readily empathise with, especially if they involve less blame in our subjective judgement. It also hard to deal with the thought that someone whom we respect at some point didn’t respect himself. Even if it is no longer the case, the past hurts.

In dealing with such situations, it is my view that virginity should not be discounted in any way and neither should people be questioned too much on why they remain virgins. All that Liberanos said is true, but it seems to me that if we started somehow criticising people who have too poor social skills or too much issues to fornicate, it could become dangerous. We shouldn’t regard people as, “too ugly to get laid,” talking in the modern vernacular, even if such a statement seems factually true. It is never a fault that someone is unable to sin and it is never a given that untested virtue is somehow weak. What is rather sure is that being the “40 year old virgin” for reasons that have nothing to do with the Catholic faith is very painful. We’ve heard a lot from people who feel called to marriage but can’t find a spouse. Let us then have some compassion for those who couldn’t fornicate even if they wanted to. As for virtue, there is even some virtue in the fact that those who can’t get it for free didn’t go and pay for it. I would also be careful with judging a non-believer-in-premarital-abstinence as somehow deficient socially on the account of not having sexual partners. While that might actually be true, I don’t like the avenue where that could take us.

As regards porn vs premarital sex, if we start comparing, we might arrive at such conclusions as the mediaeval one that masturbation is worse than rape. Even that claim can be supported with some logical arguments. On the one hand, some porn is typically more filthy than typical sex, on the other hand, porn does not involve actual physical contact. We could argue for hours which is more damaging, porn or premarital sex and I’m not sure what the outcome would be or even which position I would support. In my experience, the filthier thing is not always the one that causes the most falling apart between people, even though it likely is what causes the most resentment.

Ultimately, people who are virgins and would like the partner or prospective partner also to be one incur too much criticism. It seems less than proportional to their supposed offence, which would be isolationism and a degree of reliance on random factors as well as the possibility of discarding a very good person or indeed a very good much merely on that one thing. They attract this criticism precisely because they make a condition of something which cannot be reversed. We would understand the feeling that awakens if someone opened a thread entitled, “I am not going to marry anyone who has ever had a lustful thought.” Now suddenly most of us would find ourselves placed in the bad category for something we had already atoned for. We would have the urge to lecture that person even if that person could prove he or she never had a lustful thought himself or herself. 😉 Same it works with those people who want to marry virgins.
 
As for virtue, there is even some virtue in the fact that those who can’t get it for free didn’t go and pay for it.
You are ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! I hadn’t thought of it from that angle.

It does seem unfair to demand virtue from people who may not have ever been exposed to it in this pagan society we live in. Some may have found the path to virtue too late to keep their own virginity intact. We have a whole generation of kids growing up who have seen their own parents behave like barnyard animals. It seems rarer and rarer to find kids who have been allowed to grow up in families where virtue is cultivated. Those kids are growing up and dating and there is a very limited pool of like-minded people out there.

My advice is just geared toward that sad reality.
 
She is honest and spirtiual. Give this relationship a chance and see where it goes.

The past is the past in this case. If y’all like it each other, the both of you should let it go-God has.
Here, here.

Put all this “passion of persnickety” into HER instead of into her faults and you’ll be golden. For life.
 
We have a whole generation of kids growing up who have seen their own parents behave like barnyard animals.
AAAAA-MEN, sistah!

One of the biggest motivating factors in my life, and why I have lived to the age of 33 with only one sexual partner to my credit, was because I watched my Dad dragging one-night tramp after one-night tramp through our house when I was about 11-12 years old. I saw and heard things no child should ever have to experience, and right through the very thin closet wall my bedroom unfortunately shared with my Dad’s room. The whole thing disgusted me, from having to hear it, to running into a disheveled stranger in my kitchen in the morning while trying to get my breakfast.

I swore I was never going to be some man’s plaything that way. But unfortunately, that is not the message most kids get when watching their parents act like followers of Bacchus drunk at the festival. Too many of them think if their parents do it, it must be OK. And after all, that is what kids are supposed to think. Their parents are supposed to teach them about life, so kids follow that example much of the time. 😦

But, oh man, try to tell people living this way that they are doing wrong by their kids, and you are the most intolerant witch ever to walk the planet. 🤷
 
But, oh man, try to tell people living this way that they are doing wrong by their kids, and you are the most intolerant witch ever to walk the planet. 🤷
I got a mega-flame the day before yesterday on another forum after pointing out that most women actually want marriage and children, that they would behave better if they had better partners and that they didn’t want to be mistreated. I even got my portion of lashback from my very own ex, for trampling females’ freedoms. Told folks sorry, facts can be rather offensive sometimes. Nothing new to me. Just a bit worried of the effect this I vs them is having on my personality over years.
 
Nothing to worry about…you’ll just be another me!
Seriously, I litigate like there’s no tomorrow and my debates don’t look much better. Sometimes it looks like I was born doing that. Last time I was sitting with a beautiful woman at a beer in a pub, I talked about morality rather than chatting her up precisely because that was more my inclination. Looks like my idea of fun begins to be litigating or debating against a whole team of opponents.
 
I just want to thank everyone for their supportive feedback and prayers. There is way too much on here now for me to respond to everything so I think I am going to just give a few parting comments and leave it be.
…LukeFive, you’ve found a gem, that’s true. I almost envy you and I’m not sure of the almost. 😉
I am going to agree full heartedly with Chevalier here except for the envy part, there in no need to envy myself.😉

In an ideal world, I would follow liberanosamalo’s advice from early in the thread and never bring this up again. Unfortunately, she knows that it is something I was struggling with. We have continued to do stuff together as normal so just pretending like nothing had happened would not show that I have it sorted out. I feel the need to say something. I am picking her up at from her parents’ house on Tuesday and if all of the roads are open, we are driving back to school. We have at least a 4 hour drive from her parents’ if the snow isn’t too bad. We have gotten quite a bit of the white stuff lately. Anyway, I plan on just saying something casual like, “hey I just wanted to tell you that the past is the past and all I care about is the present and the future.” She will get the message. If she wants to talk more about it, fine. If she doesn’t have anything else to say, then it is over with and I kind of hope that is the case.

Thanks again to everyone. Merry Christmas.
 
I plan on just saying something casual like, “hey I just wanted to tell you that the past is the past and all I care about is the present and the future.” She will get the message. If she wants to talk more about it, fine. If she doesn’t have anything else to say, then it is over with and I kind of hope that is the case.
Sounds like a good plan. I wish you guys the greatest of happiness.

God Bless
 
Anyway, I plan on just saying something casual like, “hey I just wanted to tell you that the past is the past and all I care about is the present and the future.”
Awesome. Perfect. Good luck, Luke!
 
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