Instead of collaboration amongst Christianities

[foolishmortal]

…in a period where not many Catholics are catechized well, I think we should, instead of collaborating in mixed Christian company efforts, have a style of separate, healthy competition. We would still treat each other as brothers and sisters, but we would get more done as competing teams. There’s too much indifference–too much intermarrying. Catholic kids need strong united front parents. The evangelicals don’t seem to have that problem. They have their systems up and going with multimedia spreading what they do have in common teaching (though some allow divorce, remarriage and contraception despite Bible verses against those things or which would understandably do so). I don’t think we have benefiited from the current (what’s the word beginning with “e” that means relations with other faiths?) and neither have mainstream Protestants (though I obviously don’t want their faiths to succeed, but that they do get God’s sympathies and persevere at the end) as many are modernist.

 

[scylla]

Naw lets just sit together and sing kumbaya, it will all make us feel better they will see how nice we are and convert!
Isn’t that the plan? /lunacy

I completely agree, it sickened me to see an Ecumenical service at my parish with the Lutheran bashing Catholics from the pulpit, isn’t that crazy?

We need to learn how to stand up for truth and have some backbones.

In Christ
Scylla

 

[francesco920]

Ecumenism for Protestants means the end of the Catholic Church.

A Evangelical friend of mine put it well: “All Christians should just read the Bible and believe in Jesus! Forget all this nonsense about the saints and sacraments and rituals and bishops…just be born again in Jesus Christ and you’ll be saved!”

We, as Catholics, must remember that Protestantism is a heresy not just a simple “difference in worshipping style.” We cannot be compromising in our faith. We must assert why the Catholic beliefs, based in both Tradition and Scripture, are orthodox and why Protestant beliefs, based on a misinterpretation of Scripture and contradicted by Tradition, are heretical.

Enough with this “We’re all Christians after all” approach! It’s not “okay” to be Protestant, and Catholics who say this are doing Protestants a terrible disservice. Remember, extra ecclesia nulla salus is still a doctrine of the Church. While Protestants are in partial communion because they share some fundamental beliefs with us (e.g. the Trinity), it would be much better for their souls if they were in full communion.

 

[hoosiertoo]

I’ve often said that I don’t care where my (kids, grandkids, friends, acquaintances) find Jesus, just so they do. The Holy Spirit does the rest.

I’d much rather them be German Baptists than Wiccans, f’rinstance.

Praise the Lord and pass them the crackers and grape juice and pray that they may come to know the Real Prescence in God’s good time.

 

[foolishmortal]

I think Wiccans are just more honest as being of Paganism than most Protestant churches. Face it. This is a “Me” culture. A good number of Catholics are just Pagans living in denial of self-worship. We are all sinners, but there is a difference between realizing that and “Kumbayaa”. Of course, we don’t belittle Protrestants who try to live by what they honestly believe the Bible said, but Protestantism was a communism in the making.

 

[hoosiertoo]

I think Wiccans are just more honest as being of Paganism than most Protestant churches. Face it. This is a “Me” culture. A good number of Catholics are just Pagans living in denial of self-worship. We are all sinners, but there is a difference between realizing that and “Kumbayaa”. Of course, we don’t belittle Protrestants who try to live by what they honestly believe the Bible said, but Protestantism was a communism in the making.

Say what?

 

[francesco920]

I think Wiccans are just more honest as being of Paganism than most Protestant churches. Face it. This is a “Me” culture. A good number of Catholics are just Pagans living in denial of self-worship. We are all sinners, but there is a difference between realizing that and “Kumbayaa”. Of course, we don’t belittle Protrestants who try to live by what they honestly believe the Bible said, but Protestantism was a communism in the making.

I think calling Protestants pagan makes no sense. I understand your point that many Protestants have fallen into the modernist “Me” culture, but there are many great Protestants (e.g. Billy Graham) who love Jesus Christ and truly try to follow the Bible to the best of their ability. Furthermore, there are “Catholics” who have fallen into this decadent, evil culture of death as well (e.g. Nancy Pelosi). Unfortunately, Protestants lack several important aspects of the Christian faith and their theology is quite flawed and contradicted by both Tradition and Scripture, but that doesn’t make them pagans or communists.

 

[kitkatty]

Francesco, “follow the Bible to the best of their ability” is the key phrase of your post to me. The problem is they are working under quite a handicap and in charity, we, as Catholics have an advantage; the entirite Truth as handed down to us through Jesus through the Apostles. We are obligated to spread the truth of the Church, particularly to our Christian brothers and sisters who are working with the handicap of not having the entire truth. But this certainly does not make them communists or pagans.

 

[foolishmortal]

You got it. That’s what I meant. If you claim to live by the Bible, you are responsible for it just as we Catholics are responsible for what our Faith teaches. We often sin as we are weak, but many of us don’t care (some of this may be due to despair, but I think we just are lazy and want to have fleeting fun so we say “Ignorance is bliss”–sorry–that might work for poorly-catechised Gen-Xers, but previous generations were taught better). Unfortunately, a lot of those kind of Catholics are in Washington along with a lot of Jews doing the same thing. A lot of those kind voted for Democrats forgetting the line in the Bible about not being as much concerned about those who kill by the sword as those that kill the soul or by latching on to any social welfare plea if it feels right. When we Catholics are faithful to doctrine and charity, we can be saints; if not, we can become God’s worst nightmare. Some instances can be partially blamed on temperament, but things in this culture is beyond errors made by sanguines, phlegmatics and maybe cholerics–we’ve become too complacent. We have been living under the promise of Pax Democrato or Pax Democrato/fiscalonlyconservato or Pax Can’twejustgetalongos.

 A religion cannot have its major tenets decided upon by the people;  nor shoulod its pastors.  What kind of Christianity has people breaking away from a church because they don't like what they're hearing?  Who are they?  Obviously, going to the Catholic Church is inspired by God (and maybe God hop, skip and jumps certain people across the Church of England or Orthodoxy to get them there or maybe it's Satan doing his best to keep them from the Faith--I don't know) because it shows itself by the saints and its rational teachings to be the one founded by Christ.   In modern times (ever since the 20s or 30s), many Protestant churches (nondenominationalism is just being a protestant of a protestant and so on of an original Protestant church) allow the modernist things the communists were shooting for in their evangelization.  The Catholic Church was coming close in the 60s,  but it's supernatural boundaries don't allow that in its core teachings anyway no matter what play on doctrine certain leaders may try.    


  We have become paganized.  I know I get weak and sin.  I may miss a favorite one.  Lots of people got weak before Luther's rebellion, but this is paganism.  Religious flirted around at times in ancient times with riches or sex, but the Church always had its traditions firmly in place.  As far as communism goes, just read "Liberalism is a Sin".  If you want to see communistic rebellion of Protestantism, just watch "Luther".  That was made by Lutherans.  His people even defied his teachings!  Liberation is a communistic thing.    The French Revolution was like what the new Lutherans and new Anglicans did to the Church.  It's just dropping the pretense of caring what the Bible says--and so it goes today.  There are those who are just trying to live by the Bible as much as possible, but they still have the handicap of lies from Luther's day that are unbiblical.

The Catholic Church has all the Truth as was established right before Christ’s rising and at Pentecost (and evident to me in how it hasn’t changed its dogmas for anyone despite crooked popes in the past–humanly impossible as we see the opposite in other churches). Being that noone else was given the keys to the Kingdom of God, but what was handed from one Pope to the other, anything else (including certain traditionalists whose bishops were not approved of) is doomed to future communism because the people (despite whatever noble motives), not God, would be calling the shots without His say-so.