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PRm–I’m working particularly long days, on top of my family responsibilities. Yes, sometimes I will forget exactly how I phrased something earlier. I’m just plain tired sometimes. I already asked your forgiveness if you felt it was needed. It seems you can’t give it?

I realized my use of “jumped the gun” may have been confusing. I think the phrase comes from racing, where a runner or horse jumps off the starting point ahead of the gunshot. I believe you were saying I ironically “jumped the gun” myself. But, I’m thinking you meant I “jumped to conclusions”?—an unwarranted conclusion of what you meant in your first two posts?

When I used “jumped the gun”, I wasn’t thinking you did something bad–running is not bad—but that, IMO, the order was what was off. (IOW, please wait your turn to run.) To me, if we were all sitting around your patio table having this discussion, I, if I were a Catholic, would have been quiet and looked to the few Evangelical posters to go first. I’d let them explain themselves what they know about the origin and history of the sinner’s prayer—that was one of the OP’s questions; I’d discuss with them Indifferently’s next question regarding if he was understanding the practice rightly or not; if I were him, I’d want to know if what I’d observed was a correct (to an Evangelical) use of the sinner’s prayer, or a perversion of it. To me, even if I were a Catholic on a Catholic forum, that would seem like like the most helpful and logical sequence of discussion.

As I said before, I would not be offended, and certainly not outraged, at a Catholic thinking my beliefs were heretical. If I’m using 'heretical" in a way that isn’t specifically Catholic, then let me say I wouldn’t be offended at a Catholic thinking my beliefs were born from a departure from the lens by which Catholicism views how a person becomes a Christian. But, I would want, first, to have the Catholics and Anglicans around the table to seek understanding of the Evangelical practice under discussion before any sort of Catholic or Anglican judgment was passed on it. Then, since I know already from other threads that Catholics see problems with the sinner’s prayer, as an Evangelical I’d want detailed, helpful information on just where they see it as problematic. I think I finally did get that information from JonS and Andrewstexas.

PRm, please consider that you may have invested my written words with an emotional overlay which I wasn’t putting on them. I’ve never been outraged, by any means, here at CAF. I once told a poster squarely that I was annoyed with him. Sometimes I get exasperated here in a facepalm sort of way. But I never even been close to being outraged…not even close to it at all.
 
PRm–I’m working particularly long days, on top of my family responsibilities. Yes, sometimes I will forget exactly how I phrased something earlier. I’m just plain tired sometimes. I already asked your forgiveness if you felt it was needed. It seems you can’t give it?
With all due respect, AWM, I don’t forgive people whose apologies consist of “if I have done anything wrong, please forgive me.”

From a website that I offer no attachment to, save this comment:

He offered up the classic, and dreadfully inadequate, if-I-offended-anyone apology. As fans of this blog already know, when one says “If I offended anyone, I’m sorry”, it sounds like an apology but really isn’t. The “apologizer” admits to no poor choice. He displays no understanding of what he did wrong.
acceptingresponsibility.wordpress.com/category/apologies/if-i-offended-anyone/
I realized my use of “jumped the gun” may have been confusing. I think the phrase comes from racing, where a runner or horse jumps off the starting point ahead of the gunshot. I believe you were saying I ironically “jumped the gun” myself. But, I’m thinking you meant I “jumped to conclusions”?—an unwarranted conclusion of what you meant in your first two posts?
No, I meant you jumped the gun. In your zeal to find error in my posts, you jumped the gun. Let me make an error first, then you can call me out on it.
When I used “jumped the gun”, I wasn’t thinking you did something bad–running is not bad—but that, IMO, the order was what was off. (IOW, please wait your turn to run.) To me, if we were all sitting around your patio table having this discussion, I, if I were a Catholic, would have been quiet and looked to the few Evangelical posters to go first. I’d let them explain themselves what they know about the origin and history of the sinner’s prayer—that was one of the OP’s questions; I’d discuss with them Indifferently’s next question regarding if he was understanding the practice rightly or not; if I were him, I’d want to know if what I’d observed was a correct (to an Evangelical) use of the sinner’s prayer, or a perversion of it. To me, even if I were a Catholic on a Catholic forum, that would seem like like the most helpful and logical sequence of discussion.
That is certainly one way to post here.

That I choose not to post in that way is, frankly, not your concern.

It is, in fact, a rather peculiar objection to make. You are essentially saying that you didn’t like it that I was the 2nd poster on this thread.

That’s simply an arbitrary, puzzling, and weird objection that no one, ever, has made before. And I have been around the CAFs for a long time.
As I said before, I would not be offended, and certainly not outraged, at a Catholic thinking my beliefs were heretical. If I’m using 'heretical" in a way that isn’t specifically Catholic, then let me say I wouldn’t be offended at a Catholic thinking my beliefs were born from a departure from the lens by which Catholicism views how a person becomes a Christian. But, I would want, first, to have the Catholics and Anglicans around the table to seek understanding of the Evangelical practice under discussion before any sort of Catholic or Anglican judgment was passed on it. Then, since I know already from other threads that Catholics see problems with the sinner’s prayer, as an Evangelical I’d want detailed, helpful information on just where they see it as problematic. I think I finally did get that information from JonS and Andrewstexas.
Fair enough.
PRm, please consider that you may have invested my written words with an emotional overlay which I wasn’t putting on them. I’ve never been outraged, by any means, here at CAF. I once told a poster squarely that I was annoyed with him. Sometimes I get exasperated here in a facepalm sort of way. But I never even been close to being outraged…not even close to it at all.
Perhaps you and I have different opinions about being “outraged” but I consider it an emotion that is attached to a phrase “walking away in disgust”. Something you have posted in the past. It sounds like you’re on the verge of saying, “How dare you post that!” That sounds like you’re outraged, but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you weren’t “even close” to having a sense of outrage, then that is fine. I concede.

Let us now move forward in charitable dialogue and cease with the outrage as well as taking statements to outrageous implications. 👍
 
No, I meant you jumped the gun. In your zeal to find error in my posts, you jumped the gun. Let me make an error first, then you can call me out on it.
PRm–

I appreciate that you’re willing to believe me when I said I wasn’t even close to being outraged. I’m going to ask you to take my word as true about myself on something else, as well: I don’t have any “zeal to find error” in your posts. Why would I? That would be bizarre. Up till now, I can’t remember any time I’ve felt you’ve been rude to me; if you had been, then maybe I would have been tempted to try to return the disrespect. Though I believe I would have refrained from any attempt at payback, I would at least be able to see a motive in myself that might tempt me to fall into it. But, nope, it’s not there. I can assure you that I don’t have any animosity towards you, or a “zeal to find error” in your posts. Since you think I do have some motive to find error in your posts, then I can assure you again that you’re imputing a motive to me which is not mine.

I want to get this cleared up between us. It’s probably going to take me awhile, and several posts which will be spaced apart throughout this evening, to go through your last post with my replies.

To the OP and other readers, I ask to be excused for continuing the derailment of this thread for the time being.

To PRm, I ask that you wait till I’m finished with my posts this evening to reply. I’m not a quick, prolific writer to begin with, and I’m thinking through the different parts of your post while I’m writing, so this is going to take at least an hour to get my responses finished.
 
PRm–

I appreciate that you’re willing to believe me when I said I wasn’t even close to being outraged. I’m going to ask you to take my word as true about myself on something else, as well: I don’t have any “zeal to find error” in your posts. Why would I? That would be bizarre. Up till now, I can’t remember any time I’ve felt you’ve been rude to me; if you had been, then maybe I would have been tempted to try to return the disrespect. Though I believe I would have refrained from any attempt at payback, I would at least be able to see a motive in myself that might tempt me to fall into it. But, nope, it’s not there. I can assure you that I don’t have any animosity towards you, or a “zeal to find error” in your posts. Since you think I do have some motive to find error in your posts, then I can assure you again that you’re imputing a motive to me which is not mine.

I want to get this cleared up between us. It’s probably going to take me awhile, and several posts which will be spaced apart throughout this evening, to go through your last post with my replies.

To the OP and other readers, I ask to be excused for continuing the derailment of this thread for the time being.

To PRm, I ask that you wait till I’m finished with my posts this evening to reply. I’m not a quick, prolific writer to begin with, and I’m thinking through the different parts of your post while I’m writing, so this is going to take at least an hour to get my responses finished.
If you wish.

I am ready, as I said, to proceed with charitable dialogue on topics of a religious nature here on the CAFs.

But if you want to address my post above, that is, of course, your right.
 
With all due respect, AWM, I don’t forgive people whose apologies consist of “if I have done anything wrong, please forgive me.”

From a website that I offer no attachment to, save this comment:

He offered up the classic, and dreadfully inadequate, if-I-offended-anyone apology. As fans of this blog already know, when one says “If I offended anyone, I’m sorry”, it sounds like an apology but really isn’t. The “apologizer” admits to no poor choice. He displays no understanding of what he did wrong.
acceptingresponsibility.wordpress.com/category/apologies/if-i-offended-anyone/
Well, yeah, I “have no understanding of what (I) did wrong”. I still don’t, PRm. I do know I didn’t have the motives you attributed to me which I addressed in my post above, so I don’t ask your forgiveness for that.

What I was apologizing for was my inability, according to you, to understand your first several posts on this thread. If you insist that your words didn’t mean what I thought they mean, then okay—I have to take your word for it. But, I’m at a loss here. I know you’re a pretty good writer. And I know I’m an intelligent reader. But, when I read your first several posts, it still looks to me like you’re saying, by clear, logical implication, something which you insist you’re not saying. So, I’m at a loss. I asked your forgiveness if you felt it was needed as a show of good faith, and to show that that I’m not viewing you in an adversarial way, and to show you my willingness to try as well as I can to understand you.
 
Perhaps you and I have different opinions about being “outraged” but I consider it an emotion that is attached to a phrase “walking away in disgust”. Something you have posted in the past. It sounds like you’re on the verge of saying, “How dare you post that!” That sounds like you’re outraged, but I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. If you weren’t “even close” to having a sense of outrage, then that is fine. I concede.
Well, I suppose “outrage” and “disgust” could be loosely seem to have some things in common, but they are essentially two different things. I used to speak Spanish fluently, though I can’t anymore, but I still connect the “-gust” in disgust to its Romance Language roots==taste, liking, pleasure. So when I say disgust, I’m thinking of distaste, not anger at all. I think mushy over-cooked vegetables are disgusting, but I’ve never gotten the least bit angry at them or at anyone who may have given me some. When I did, on another thread, say I was tempted to walk away in disgust, I was thinking of my personal strong distaste–strong enough to be called disgust—for some of things that go on here. Bickering on various sub -forums is one of those things, but some of my distaste, I know, is just due to my introverted personality and liking for quietness, so I try to stay engaged in the dialogue, as I said in the post to which you’re referring.

Darn, my eyes started blurring words last post, though I’m trying to take breaks. I was hoping to get through replying
to your whole post, PRm, but I can’t. Part of my job is doing silversmithing, so I don’t like to push my luck with eyestrain. And I’ve been up since 5 am to help a friend who was demonstrating a craft at a folk-life festival. I need to stop here for tonight.

I’m going to ask you to suspend your judgment till I finish this tomorrow, PRm. I do want to clear this up, as I said, and I haven’t gotten to the main point that I think will help to that end.
 
It might be a good idea for Abidewithme and PrMerger to finish this conversation through PMs instead of a continuing thread de-reailment.
 
It might be a good idea for Abidewithme and PrMerger to finish this conversation through PMs instead of a continuing thread de-reailment.
Right.

Abidewithme, please PM me the remainder of your thoughts.
 
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