Invitro fertilization

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I know the Church is against this but I need to know what my attitude should be in this situation.
My son had testicular cancer and was engaged to be married. Before they were married, he had both testicles removed after freezing some of his sperm. I advised him that this is a sin and if he wanted children there are many children waiting to be adopted. He and his wife opted for invitro fertilization instead. She became pregnant with twins but lost them at 7 weeks. They tried again and now she is 14 weeks pregnant. I will love my grandchildren no matter how they were conceived but I don’t want my son to think I approve of what he did. I think he still has some frozen embyos. Is it more sinful to let them die or to try to bring them to term even if it is not in the way that is blessed by God.:confused:
 
I think he still has some frozen embyos. Is it more sinful to let them die or to try to bring them to term even if it is not in the way that is blessed by God.
Once a human being is conceived, he or she has the right to life. It is intrinsically evil and always gravely immoral to take the life of an innocent human being. So, despite the sin that occurred in creating these human persons (frozen embryos), there is a moral obligation to attempt to bring them to term.

One should still condemn the types of sinful acts used in IVF, and avoid any unnecessary cooperation with such acts.
 
Do you mean I should actively encourage them to keep going with the implants till all the embryos are used up or should I just stay out of the situation which they see nothing wrong with?
 
I think you need to discuss this with your priest. This is a very touchy subject.

Embryos are not “used up” - they are either murdered or they are given a chance at life.

I do not mean to sound harsh or nasty about this - but your son and his wife have committed grave sins, and unless they are going to confession, they should not be receiving Holy Eucharist.

They need to get right with God over this, and decide how they are going to treat their unborn children.

As far as how you should be handling this, I think you need to speak with a good solid priest about the situation.

God bless you all - this can not be an easy situation for any of you - least of all the children whose lives are in the balance here.

~Liza
 
I think he still has some frozen embyos. Is it more sinful to let them die or to try to bring them to term even if it is not in the way that is blessed by God.:confused:
I heard the bioethicist Fr. Tadeusz Pacholczyk speaking about this issue on CA Live Radio. The Church has never said which is the greater evil: to implant the embryo into a woman’s uterus and let it come to term or to let the embryo die.

Fr. Pacholczyk said Catholic theologians are divided on this issue, but it is his opinion that since ivf is intrinsically evil, the frozen embryos should not be implanted into the woman’s uterus even if that means they will die.

You might want to read this document which is a summary of the Church’s teaching about ivf and artificial insemination:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19870222_respect-for-human-life_en.html
 
I heard the bioethicist Fr. Tadeusz Pacholczyk speaking about this issue on CA Live Radio. The Church has never said which is the greater evil: to implant the embryo into a woman’s uterus and let it come to term or to let the embryo die.

Fr. Pacholczyk said Catholic theologians are divided on this issue, but it is his opinion that since ivf is intrinsically evil, the frozen embryos should not be implanted into the woman’s uterus even if that means they will die.

You might want to read this document which is a summary of the Church’s teaching about ivf and artificial insemination:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19870222_respect-for-human-life_en.html
I hear this. I understand what he is saying. But until the Church takes some position on it, my own reason leads me in the opposite direction. I am not sure I understand why the church or pro-life groups in general have not embraced the concept or organized to promote it, since in my own view it is life saving intervention consistent with the overall aim of the effort. The same individual desires that drove people to IVF in the first place could be used to preserve life.

As long as implantation of frozen embryos does not become a basis to encourage their production, as long as profit is not at the bottom of it, I cannot see how it can be distinguished from life saving intervention at best and foster parenting / adoption at worst.
 
I heard the bioethicist Fr. Tadeusz Pacholczyk speaking about this issue on CA Live Radio. The Church has never said which is the greater evil: to implant the embryo into a woman’s uterus and let it come to term or to let the embryo die.

Fr. Pacholczyk said Catholic theologians are divided on this issue, but it is his opinion that since ivf is intrinsically evil, the frozen embryos should not be implanted into the woman’s uterus even if that means they will die.

You might want to read this document which is a summary of the Church’s teaching about ivf and artificial insemination:
vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19870222_respect-for-human-life_en.html
I would totally disagree with Father’s opinion. An embryo is a human being regardless of his or her frozen state. If there is a means by which that person can develop and continue his or her life as created by God, then those means should be sought. To let them die just to hold on to principles does not seem to conform with the all loving God that I worship…God Bless…teachccd
 
I would totally disagree with Father’s opinion. An embryo is a human being regardless of his or her frozen state. If there is a means by which that person can develop and continue his or her life as created by God, then those means should be sought. To let them die just to hold on to principles does not seem to conform with the all loving God that I worship…God Bless…teachccd
I see your point, but I side with Fr Pacholczyk. I think the other view would tacitly approve of and encourage ivf. It’s a difficult issue, I know, and it’s problems like this that bring to light how wise the Church was when it condemned ivf initially, even while this particular ethical question was unknown.
 
I see your point, but I side with Fr Pacholczyk. I think the other view would tacitly approve of and encourage ivf. It’s a difficult issue, I know, and it’s problems like this that bring to light how wise the Church was when it condemned ivf initially, even while this particular ethical question was unknown.
Yea, and I see your point but it is a crying shame that someone always has to suffer the ultimate consequence when people don’t follow prudent moral choices…teachccd
 
I know the Church is against this but I need to know what my attitude should be in this situation.
My son had testicular cancer and was engaged to be married. Before they were married, he had both testicles removed after freezing some of his sperm. I advised him that this is a sin and if he wanted children there are many children waiting to be adopted. He and his wife opted for invitro fertilization instead. She became pregnant with twins but lost them at 7 weeks. They tried again and now she is 14 weeks pregnant. I will love my grandchildren no matter how they were conceived but I don’t want my son to think I approve of what he did. I think he still has some frozen embyos. Is it more sinful to let them die or to try to bring them to term even if it is not in the way that is blessed by God.:confused:
**In vitro fertilization is not permitted in the Catholic faith for any reason; instead adoption is encouraged and there are morally acceptable options for infertile couples. Currently, according to a July 4th, 2005 issue of Newsweek, IVF costs $9,000 and 25% of all cycles now involve a live birth. It should also be noted that there is a serious though rare side effect, Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome (OHSS), that has killed patients using IVF.

And, 6 million embryos, human beings like us, have died because of this procedure. That is roughly 80-90% of all embryos created in IVF. In the US, 170,000 embryos die each year.

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2377 Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that “entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children.” “Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses’ union . . . . Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person.”

2378 A child is not something owed to one, but is a gift. The “supreme gift of marriage” is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged “right to a child” would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right “to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents,” and “the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception.”

2379 The Gospel shows that physical sterility is not an absolute evil. Spouses who still suffer from infertility after exhausting legitimate medical procedures should unite themselves with the Lord’s Cross, the source of all spiritual fecundity. They can give expression to their generosity by adopting abandoned children or performing demanding services for others.

Embryos need not be destroyed. There are several organizations that place the couple in contact with others who are willing to ‘adopt’ embryos who are fertilized and frozen. You can pass that information on to your son and daughter-in-law.**
 
If in-vitro fertilization is not blessed by God,does this mean that if god is not invilved in the process then the resulting baby does not have a soul?:confused:
 
Do you mean I should actively encourage them to keep going with the implants till all the embryos are used up or should I just stay out of the situation which they see nothing wrong with?
Did they freeze just sperm or did they fertilize her eggs and then freeze them? Just curious.

As a mother in law, I think you should pray & sacrifice and if they ask for your opinion, give it.
 
If in-vitro fertilization is not blessed by God,does this mean that if god is not invilved in the process then the resulting baby does not have a soul?:confused:
Not at all. When sperm and egg meet, a soul is created. I don’t believe God stipulated HOW the sperm and egg have to meet. (though he probably has his preferred method 😉 )
 
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