Invitro fertilization

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After teaching an RCIA session last night, I was approached by one of the attendees (I don’t know if the person was a Catholic or an Inquirer) who after discussing some questions she had about the session, told me she could not attend a makeup session because, she had an invitro process to go to that day.

She told me that they were finally having some success with the process and that they had been trying for a long time to have a baby.

I believe that someone told me that the problem that the Church has with invitro is that one egg is fertalized, while the “non-fertalized” eggs also placed there by the process are discarded…thereby entering the realm of abortion.

Is that correct? I’m praying about how to inform her of this position without taking away her obvious happiness of having a little one.

Thank you, and God Bless.
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Bob G:
I believe that someone told me that the problem that the Church has with invitro is that one egg is fertalized, while the “non-fertalized” eggs also placed there by the process are discarded…thereby entering the realm of abortion.
Is that correct? I’m praying about how to inform her of this position without taking away her obvious happiness of having a little one.Bob G
Perhaps give her a copy of this as well as the document Donum Vitae that addresses this issue, published by the CDF.
That is not the only opposition that the Church has to the process.

First, a child is only to be brought forth from a completed marital act.

Children are not objects the be produced in a lab. They are a gift, not a right, not a product.

As you know, each marriage act must be unitive and procreative. In vitro violates the unitive dimension by eliminating the marital embrace.

Secondary concerns are certainly the moral dilemma created by “spare” embryos, however that is not the fundamental issue or reason for opposition. It is intrinsically disordered, so no wonder it also produces a host of morally consequences well beyond the one sinful act.

From the Catechism.
2373 Sacred Scripture and the Church’s traditional practice see in large families a sign of God’s blessing and the parents’ generosity.[162]

2374 Couples who discover that they are sterile suffer greatly. “What will you give me,” asks Abraham of God, “for I continue childless?”[163] And Rachel cries to her husband Jacob, “Give me children, or I shall die!”[164]

2375 Research aimed at reducing human sterility is to be encouraged, on condition that it is placed “at the service of the human person, of his inalienable rights, and his true and integral good according to the design and will of God.”[165]

2376 Techniques that entail the dissociation of husband and wife, by the intrusion of a person other than the couple (donation of sperm or ovum, surrogate uterus), are gravely immoral. These techniques (heterologous artificial insemination and fertilization) infringe the child’s right to be born of a father and mother known to him and bound to each other by marriage. They betray the spouses’ “right to become a father and a mother only through each other.”[166]

2377 Techniques involving only the married couple (homologous artificial insemination and fertilization) are perhaps less reprehensible, yet remain morally unacceptable. They dissociate the sexual act from the procreative act. The act which brings the child into existence is no longer an act by which two persons give themselves to one another, but one that “entrusts the life and identity of the embryo into the power of doctors and biologists and establishes the domination of technology over the origin and destiny of the human person. Such a relationship of domination is in itself contrary to the dignity and equality that must be common to parents and children.”[167] “Under the moral aspect procreation is deprived of its proper perfection when it is not willed as the fruit of the conjugal act, that is to say, of the specific act of the spouses’ union … Only respect for the link between the meanings of the conjugal act and respect for the unity of the human being make possible procreation in conformity with the dignity of the person.”[168]

2378 A child is not something owed to one, but is a gift. The “supreme gift of marriage” is a human person. A child may not be considered a piece of property, an idea to which an alleged “right to a child” would lead. In this area, only the child possesses genuine rights: the right “to be the fruit of the specific act of the conjugal love of his parents,” and “the right to be respected as a person from the moment of his conception.”[169]

2379 The Gospel shows that physical sterility is not an absolute evil. Spouses who still suffer from infertility after exhausting legitimate medical procedures should unite themselves with the Lord’s Cross, the source of all spiritual fecundity. They can give expression to their generosity by adopting abandoned children or performing demanding services for others.
 
Bob G:
After teaching an RCIA session last night, I was approached by one of the attendees (I don’t know if the person was a Catholic or an Inquirer) who after discussing some questions she had about the session, told me she could not attend a makeup session because, she had an invitro process to go to that day.

She told me that they were finally having some success with the process and that they had been trying for a long time to have a baby.

I believe that someone told me that the problem that the Church has with invitro is that one egg is fertalized, while the “non-fertalized” eggs also placed there by the process are discarded…thereby entering the realm of abortion.

Is that correct? I’m praying about how to inform her of this position without taking away her obvious happiness of having a little one.

Thank you, and God Bless.
Bob G
I also wanted to let you know that in the process these eggs are not unfertilized that they discard. They are fertilized human baby which they decide which ones look more viable and/or how many babies the women wants to be pregnant with at the time. Then they throw away these babies!!! :mad: They trash them like they are nothing although they made these babies wrongly and then they wrongly kill them too. It really is terrible. I wondered for some time why the church was so against this but this is one of the reasons I had not realized until I really started studying this in my genetics classes. Very scary…people make it really look good on the outside…we are just trying to help women have a baby but thats not the whole story. I also agree with the above posting.
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Perhaps you might let her know about the Pope Paul VI Institute (www.popepaulvi.com) in Omaha, NE, run by Dr. Thomas Hilgers. This could be one way of properly instructing her w/o dashing all hope. Maybe if you familiarize yourself with the website, you’ll be able to present it to her in a “can do” manner.

I’ll say a prayer for you (and her); I know this can’t be easy, but who said doing the right thing ever is? May the Holy Spirit guide your thoughts and give you the words to speak. God bless you.
 
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StephanieC:
Perhaps you might let her know about the Pope Paul VI Institute (www.popepaulvi.com) in Omaha, NE, run by Dr. Thomas Hilgers. This could be one way of properly instructing her w/o dashing all hope. Maybe if you familiarize yourself with the website, you’ll be able to present it to her in a “can do” manner.

I’ll say a prayer for you (and her); I know this can’t be easy, but who said doing the right thing ever is? May the Holy Spirit guide your thoughts and give you the words to speak. God bless you.
Thats a great idea. Show her the Church’s teachings (catechism etc) in conjunction with a morally sound alternative. That way you are giving her hope while showing her the Truth with evidence. (Its not the same to hear someone tell you something is wrong as seeing it written in a Church document).
 
The door is actually open on the question of adopting someone else’s frozen embryos.

As noted, the two problems with IVF are:
  1. Created in a lab, not the marital embrace of the couple.
  2. Many ‘spare’ babies are killed in the process.
However, there are today many ‘spare’ forzen babies at clinics. Some parent have chosen to give these up for adoption. Since the child already exists, the sinful means of their conception is moot. You don’t refuse to adopt kids from a single mom, do you?

Thus, if you adopt frozen embryos and refuse to implant more than you are willing to accept (IVF often involves implanting up to 7 embryos, then aborting the extras if too many implant), you steer clear of any clear teachings of the church.

You must also take care not to endorse the actions of the parents responsible for the creation of the embryos in the first place, just like any other adoption.

The church hasn’t really ruled on this and theologian disagree. You need to use your own conscience until she does. Until then, it IS an option for couples like this.
 
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