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SimonArizona
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If you can I want to hear it!
Is Anyone skilled in making the case against Christ's Divinity?
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cathopologist
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Yes. planten. Or so he thinks. 
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bpbasilphx
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Either way, it’s a matter of faith.
Or rather, to one side it’s a matter of staying faithful to the faith of non-faith.
Or rather, to one side it’s a matter of staying faithful to the faith of non-faith.
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paarsurrey
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alislam.org/quran/search2/showChapter.php?ch=112
The Holy Quran : Chapter 112: Al-Ikhlas
[112:1] بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
[112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
[112:3] اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
[112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:5] وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ
[112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’
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The Holy Quran : Chapter 112: Al-Ikhlas
[112:1] بِسْمِ اللَّهِ الرَّحْمَنِ الرَّحِيمِ
[112:1] In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful.
[112:2] قُلْ هُوَ اللَّهُ أَحَدٌ
[112:2] Say, ‘He is Allah, the One;
[112:3] اللَّهُ الصَّمَدُ
[112:3] ‘Allah, the Independent and Besought of all.
[112:4] لَمْ يَلِدْ وَلَمْ يُولَدْ
[112:4] ‘He begets not, nor is He begotten;
[112:5] وَلَمْ يَكُنْ لَهُ كُفُوًا أَحَدٌ
[112:5] ‘And there is none like unto Him.’
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planten
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** I cannot enter into this discussion about the divinity (of Jesus only) because of some difference of interpretation of the word “Divine”. Divinity or holyness may have wide meanings.
I respect Jesus and his mother Mary. I sincerely believe them (as per Quran) to be sinless. Quran and Hadith says they are sinless. But to make Jesus into a God, I will never go near that type of divinity. Otherwise I have no objection to his holiness Jesus.
If at all Jesus is divine then he is as much divine as Abraham and Moses and Muhammad and Budha. No more, no less.
But if any one has good proofs about the divinity of Jesus then he/she may please present them. We will consider.
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I respect Jesus and his mother Mary. I sincerely believe them (as per Quran) to be sinless. Quran and Hadith says they are sinless. But to make Jesus into a God, I will never go near that type of divinity. Otherwise I have no objection to his holiness Jesus.
If at all Jesus is divine then he is as much divine as Abraham and Moses and Muhammad and Budha. No more, no less.
But if any one has good proofs about the divinity of Jesus then he/she may please present them. We will consider.
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doggydoo
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How about he never existed. Remember,he had “vast crowds”,“huge crowds”,“large crowds”, “multitudes”,ect. always following him around. So the bible says. I will now give contemporary sources for both Jesus and Julius Caesar.
Jesus…contemporary sources=ZERO,very odd,no one seemed to be to impressed.
Contemporary Witnesses to Caesar
Cicero
Orations and Letters provide eyewitness evidence of Caesar
Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC) was almost an exact contemporary of Julius Caesar.
In Caesar’s struggle with Pompey, Cicero, governor of Cilicia, sided with Pompey but was subsequently pardoned by Caesar.
In March of 44 BC Cicero was a witness to Caesar’s murder, though he was not a part of the conspiracy.
Following the assassination, Cicero made a series of speeches known as the “Philippics” which called on the Senate to support Octavian against Mark Antony. Cicero’s “Second Phillipics” was an eulogy of Caesar’s conquest of Gaul.
Unfortunately for Cicero Octavian reached a temporary rapprochement with Antony, who then ordered Cicero’s murder.
Among some 900 preserved letters to and from Cicero are correspondence both about and with Caesar.
“… if Caesar does lose his head all the same, Pompey feels only the deepest contempt for him, trusting in his own and the state’s troops…”
Cicero to Atticus, 7.8, 50BC.
Sallust
Caius Sallust (86-34 BC) tribune, provincial governor and supporter of Caesar. His testimony is in a history “Bellum Catalinae”.
Nepos
Cornelius Nepos (c100-24): “Life of Atticus”.
Catullus
Gaius Valerius Catullus (c84-54 BC): “Carmina”.
Asinius Pollio
Gaius Asinius Pollio (76 BC-4 AD) was an ally of Caesar and founder of the first public library in Rome. He was a source used by Plutarch.
Virgil
Virgil (70BC-17AD): “Aeneid”.
Ovid
Ovidius Naso (43BC-17AD): “Metamorphoses”.
Jesus…contemporary sources=ZERO,very odd,no one seemed to be to impressed.
Contemporary Witnesses to Caesar
Cicero
Orations and Letters provide eyewitness evidence of Caesar
Marcus Tullius Cicero (106-43 BC) was almost an exact contemporary of Julius Caesar.
In Caesar’s struggle with Pompey, Cicero, governor of Cilicia, sided with Pompey but was subsequently pardoned by Caesar.
In March of 44 BC Cicero was a witness to Caesar’s murder, though he was not a part of the conspiracy.
Following the assassination, Cicero made a series of speeches known as the “Philippics” which called on the Senate to support Octavian against Mark Antony. Cicero’s “Second Phillipics” was an eulogy of Caesar’s conquest of Gaul.
Unfortunately for Cicero Octavian reached a temporary rapprochement with Antony, who then ordered Cicero’s murder.
Among some 900 preserved letters to and from Cicero are correspondence both about and with Caesar.
“… if Caesar does lose his head all the same, Pompey feels only the deepest contempt for him, trusting in his own and the state’s troops…”
Cicero to Atticus, 7.8, 50BC.
Sallust
Caius Sallust (86-34 BC) tribune, provincial governor and supporter of Caesar. His testimony is in a history “Bellum Catalinae”.
Nepos
Cornelius Nepos (c100-24): “Life of Atticus”.
Catullus
Gaius Valerius Catullus (c84-54 BC): “Carmina”.
Asinius Pollio
Gaius Asinius Pollio (76 BC-4 AD) was an ally of Caesar and founder of the first public library in Rome. He was a source used by Plutarch.
Virgil
Virgil (70BC-17AD): “Aeneid”.
Ovid
Ovidius Naso (43BC-17AD): “Metamorphoses”.
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MelanieAnne
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Maybe I’m just dense at the moment, but why would that be important? Would it change what you believe? Would it change what others believe? Would it cause some who do not believe He is divine to start believing He is?
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