Is drinking a sin

[andykolo]

i remember when being young that to drink in moderation was fine but to drink excessively was a sin but today i mentioned this in work and noone else can recalled this does anyone know or is there some scripture or literature or anything i can be shown to prove or dis-prove this statement ???

 

[Cherubino]

andykolo,

As a recovering alcoholic myself, I resemble these remarks! One of the sanest and most factually accurate treatises I’ve read on the subject is on the Catholic Encyclopedia website. Here’s the link to the article:

newadvent.org/cathen/01274a.htm

 

[StratusRose]

Gluttony is a sin. I think that’s what excessive drinking applies to. When it starts making your body and mind unhealthy is when it becomes a problem.

 

[Bob_Baran]

It is a sin when it becomes Intemperance!

 

[PaulDupre]

From the Catechism of the Catholic Church:

2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to avoid every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. Those incur grave guilt who, by drunkenness or a love of speed, endanger their own and others’ safety on the road, at sea, or in the air.

There is no prohibition on the use of alcohol, only its abuse.
God bless you,
Paul

 

[shannin]

Is drinking a sin? I hope not. I’m an Irish Catholic :bounce:. My grandfather owned a drinking establishment (bar). I never considered drinking in moderation a sin.

Shannin

 

[michaelp]

Don’t you mean drinking to the point to where you are in an altered state of consciouness? In other words, don’t you mean is getting drunk a sin? Becuase, drinking alcohol in and of itself seems to be amoral. The issue is when it alters your state of mind. Isn’t it?

 

[johnq]

Job.12

1. 
   ]25] They grope in the dark without light;
   and he makes them stagger like a* drunk**en man.
   
   Prov.23
   1. 
      ]21] for the* drunk**ard and the glutton will come to poverty, and drowsiness will clothe a man with rags.
      
      Prov.26
      1. 
         ]9] Like a thorn that goes up into the hand of a* drunkard is a proverb in the mouth of fools.
         ]10] Like an archer who wounds everybody
         is he who hires a passing fool or drunk*ard.
         
         Isa.19
         1. 
            ]14] The LORD has mingled within her
            a spirit of confusion; and they have made Egypt stagger in all her doings as a* drunk**en man staggers in his vomit.
            
            Hos.4
            1. 
               ]18] A band of* drunk**ards, they give themselves to harlotry; they love shame more than their glory.
               
               Tob.4
               1. 
                  ]15] And what you hate, do not do to any one. Do not drink wine to excess or let* drunk**enness go with you on your way.
                  
                  1Cor.5
                  1. 
                     ]11] But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler,* drunk**ard, or robber – not even to eat with such a one.
                     
                     1Cor.6
                     1. 
                        ]10] nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor* drunk**ards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.
                        
                        Gal.5
                        1. 
                           ]21] envy,* drunk**enness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
                           
                           Eph.5
                           1. 
                              ]18] And do not get* drunk** with wine, for that is debauchery; but be filled with the Spirit,
                              
                              1Pet.4
                              1. 
                                 ]3] Let the time that is past suffice for doing what the Gentiles like to do, living in licentiousness, passions,* drunk**enness, revels, carousing, and lawless idolatry.
                                 
                                 It seems clear to me. :yup:
                                 
                                 

 

[mercygate]

michaelp:

Don’t you mean drinking to the point to where you are in an altered state of consciouness? In other words, don’t you mean is getting drunk a sin? Becuase, drinking alcohol in and of itself seems to be amoral. The issue is when it alters your state of mind. Isn’t it?

Anybody know how those Christians who forbid the use of any alcohol whatever, and who use grape juice for communion justify that? Do they use Scripture?

 

[PaulDupre]

Groups like the Southern Baptists use those verses quoted in post # 8 above, but fail to distinguish between drinking in moderation and being drunk. They also ignore other passages that celebrate the drinking of wine:

Psalms 104:15
And wine [that] maketh glad the heart of man, [and] oil to make [his] face to shine, and bread [which] strengtheneth man’s heart

Ecclesiasticus 31:28
Wine measurably drunk and in season bringeth gladness of the heart, and cheerfulness of the mind:

Sometimes they will claim that these verses are talking about “new wine” (grape juice). But that doesn’t make sense. Does grape juice “make glad the heart of man” or “bring gladness of the heart and cheerfulness of the mind”? If it did, Welch’s would be flying off the shelves!

God bless,
Paul

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

michaelp:

Don’t you mean drinking to the point to where you are in an altered state of consciouness? In other words, don’t you mean is getting drunk a sin? Becuase, drinking alcohol in and of itself seems to be amoral. The issue is when it alters your state of mind. Isn’t it?

Hey, Michael Our Lord himself drank wine and was accused of being a drunkard.He also turned water into wine, and he was born in a Jewish househould with their customs.The abuse of alcohol aka drunkenness is the sin. Also, one point that has not been brought up,is my husband is an alcoholic and he can not stop drinking when he starts(SOBER right now).So for me I choose not to have any wine around him,because I could cause him to fall.I do believe that it is important to be thoughtful about having that glass of wine if there is someone with a weakness around. God Bless You:twocents:

 

[Cherubino]

The Lord turned water into wine at Cana. AA turned my last jug of vodka into a four bedroom house.

 

[Island_Oak]

ohmigosh…I hope not! The holidays and family gatherings are right around the corner. How else are you supposed to welcome all those miscreants into your home with a smile on your face?!:whacky:

 

[Lisa4Catholics]

Island Oak:

ohmigosh…I hope not! The holidays and family gatherings are right around the corner. How else are you supposed to welcome all those miscreants into your home with a smile on your face?!:whacky:

That is great

 

[Bill_A]

Alchohol containts antioxidents and a small glass a day may be good for you. However in my mind and what is posted here, drinking in excess, to the point where you need to function or use it as a coping mechanism is destructive to the human soul and spirit. It can open a doorway to demonic forces to enter and people can lose their job and become unemployed or poor.

AMong the problems in my parish is Alcholism. How can we deal with poverty, the problems in the parish, a leaky roof and satan when drunken? The answer is we cant but unlike Glutony, we, humans can abstain from alchohol and ciggerrettes much easier than eating.

 

[mercygate]

Lisa, Cherubino, & Bill A:

Great thoughts, all of you. I, too, put the bottles away when my alcoholic relative comes a-calling – because she is not aware of her problem and, therefore, becomes a problem. On the other hand, when my alcoholic Priest comes to visit, I always have a couple of bottles of San Pellegrino in the fridge for him. The rest of us sip our Merlot with impunity.

Ya gotta do whatcha gotta do!

 

[Cherubino]

In the late 70s, Henri Begleiter and B. Porjesz at the State University of NY in Brooklyn attached electrodes to detect a brain wave, designated P300, to the scalps of 25 boys aged 7-13 who were sons of alcoholic fathers, with a control group of 25 boys who had no family history of drug or alcohol addiction.

None of the boys in either group had themselves ever used alcohol or drugs, and the researchers conducting the tests were “blind” to the family history of each boy. The goal was to explore electrophysiological “markers” to identify children at risk. They found that in response to visual stimuli, the sons of alcoholic fathers had a measurably lower amplitude of P300 brain waves. However, they cautioned that the results were not conclusive as a diagnostic predictor of later addictive behavior. Even so, the finding suggests that addiction is much more of a medical and genetic mystery than either the moralists or the self-help gurus can confidently address with didactic or formulaic solutions.

My point here is that every twist of mind that we experience, be it thought, emotion, imagination or whatever is simultaneously a neourchemical event in the brain, and these all give off brain waves, some of which we currently have the technology to detect with PET scanners, MRIs and the like, and some not. But I think it would be fascinating to find out if other psychic phenomena and mental illnesses also run in families, and there have been studies of that suggest that they do. The Amish and the Icelanders, for example, are excellent populations to study for two reasons. They’re very inbred and their societies are too close-knit to keep family “skeletons” in the closet, so there is data available there that would be very hard to come by in open societies. But I firmly believe that all these phenomena are legitimate fields for neurological and genetic research.

 

[Steven_Merten]

**When a mother has her Son bring six thirty gallon gars of wine to a celibration, so it can continue, I am thinking that she and her Son do not consider it a sin to have a few. **

NAB JOHN 2:1
On the third day there was a wedding in Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. Jesus and his disciples were also invited to the wedding. When the wine ran short, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” (And) Jesus said to her, “Woman, how does your concern affect me? My hour has not yet come.” His mother said to the servers, “Do whatever he tells you.”
Now there were six stone water jars there for Jewish ceremonial washings, each holding twenty to thirty gallons. Jesus told them, “Fill the jars with water.” So they filled them to the brim. Then he told them, “Draw some out now and take it to the headwaiter.” So they took it. And when the headwaiter tasted the water that had become wine, without knowing where it came from (although the servers who had drawn the water knew), the headwaiter called the bridegroom and said to him, "Everyone serves good wine first, and then when people have drunk freely, an inferior one; but you have kept the good wine until now."
Peace in Christ,
Steven Merten
www.ILOVEYOUGOD.com

 

[Steve_Andersen]

andykolo:

i remember when being young that to drink in moderation was fine but to drink excessively was a sin but today i mentioned this in work and noone else can recalled this does anyone know or is there some scripture or literature or anything i can be shown to prove or dis-prove this statement ???

wasn’t there something in there about “take this and drink”?

seems pretty clear to me