Is fornication a norm these days for both men and women?

[LSK]

I have seen the prospective of men. How about women, do women view fornication a norm as well and acceptible?

Unless the young men in question are having sex with other men then I would think that the young women are also participating in the fornication…I mean, one would have to subtract the number who are raped which would, I suspect, mean applying the standards of the law as well as what would be considered ‘rape’ by society. Sometimes those two definitions are at odds with each other.

 

[tvdxer]

I want to hear an opinion. Is fornication a norm now for single people, especially those who go to clubs. I seem to know this in the young generation and from young men, who all can think about is going to the club and have their way with women.

I have seen the prospective of men. How about women, do women view fornication a norm as well and acceptible?

Fornication is the norm for single people in general, not just those who to clubs. Sadly, only a small minority of newlyweds today are virgins. I doubt this wasn’t the case 30 or even 50 years ago, but today “non-commital” sex has seemed to gain a new level of approval, even among women (in the past, there was more a double standard; sexual exploits among men were far more condoned than the same among women, but in this Sex and the City age, this is much less the case). One advertisement for a website offering tips for picking up women I saw yesterday had the words “From the bar to the bedroom” - a perfect example of this tragic phenomenon.

I think sex before marriage is generally accepted by most of American society, save morally conservative elements (us) - however, wanton promiscuity is still shunned to some extent by “middle class values”.

 

[TraderTif]

As a 20-something woman, I would have to say yes, sex seems to be everywhere with girls my age. When I was in college (a “Catholic” college no less), I remember a steady stream of strange young men wandering around my dorm at all hours. It was…startling…to say the least.

And in conversations with other women my age, I would estimate that at least 80% believe premarital sex is normal, necessary, and/or no big deal.

But what I find most depressing is the fact that almost all of this 80% of women are very unhappy with their lives…and they can’t see the connection. They are brainwashed into thinking that this kind of lifestyle should be making them happy, and if they’re unhappy then something must be wrong with them. I keep trying and trying to help them see the problem…but I don’t seem to be having much luck. :banghead:
Tif

 

[journeythoughts]

Wow. Lots of good thoughts and opinions have been posted on this thread. I probably don’t have much to contribute. Still, I just wanted to add my own 2-cents’ worth.

The little I am around 20-somethings, in the general public, they act as if sex with “whoever they’ve hooked up with that week” is perfectly normal, acceptable, and expected. I think most females try to act casual about it, in keeping with what they sense from their peers. However, you cannot give your body to a man without giving more…and they know it. As Tif said, it’s hard to understand why they don’t get the fact that they’re feeling down, or unfulfilled, or whatever…when they keep giving that most intimate part of themselves to so many different men. It’s so sad.

Regarding the ceremony previously mentioned, it is a sacred thing, actually. Of course, there are perverted dads out there that do not protect their daughters’ virginity. But that doesn’t mean there are not some really great dads out there that make a pledge to protect their daughter, as she makes a pledge to save that precious gift of herself for her husband. It’s all about accountability. It’s not meant to be some warped, strange thing.

I highly recommend the book Passion and Purity by Elisabeth Elliot. If you, or someone you know, is struggling with purity issues, this is definitely a good read.

There’s a reason the wedding dress is supposed to be white…

We need to be in prayer for our single brothers and sisters. (For those that are still pure, and those who have the desire to return to purity.) Not only that they will preserve their own purity, but also that they will be an example to their peers. Positive peer pressure really does work!

And just for the record, if I could wait until I was 22, and married, and so could my husband…you can, too! It’s definitely worth the wait!

 

[CCM08]

The thing is, for a lot of people getting married (and having children) is what brings them back to the Church. I was a very unobservant Catholic (and likely in a state of mortal sin) for 20 yrs. before beginning to date my wife.

For a lot of people it is like St. Augustine, Lord give me chastity, but not yet.

If the Church is too harsh on people, they won’t come back.

Isn’t it better that a co-habiting couple get married, and stop being in mortal sin? Certainly they need to go to confession before the wedding, but if we only gave the sacraments to non-sinners…well ther’d be no priest shortage

God Bless

Most people that live together never actually bother getting married, of those that do the divorce rate is well over 2/3. Is it good to allow people that clearly demonstrate they don’t understand the seriousness of the sarcament to go through with it because, for some unknown reason, they’ve got a church wedding in mind? What did Christ tell the adultress? Go and sin NO MORE. If people want to repent and change their lives that’s absolutely wonderful, it starts right now. It starts with cutting off fornication and living in sin. It starts with a serious understanding of the sacraments. Church isn’t just a phase in people’s lives of settling down because that’s what everyone else does. If you can’t do those things then getting involved with sacraments you clearly aren’t prepared for is just adding more gas to the fire.

 

[CCM08]

As a 20-something woman, I would have to say yes, sex seems to be everywhere with girls my age. When I was in college (a “Catholic” college no less), I remember a steady stream of strange young men wandering around my dorm at all hours. It was…startling…to say the least.

And in conversations with other women my age, I would estimate that at least 80% believe premarital sex is normal, necessary, and/or no big deal.

But what I find most depressing is the fact that almost all of this 80% of women are very unhappy with their lives…and they can’t see the connection. They are brainwashed into thinking that this kind of lifestyle should be making them happy, and if they’re unhappy then something must be wrong with them. I keep trying and trying to help them see the problem…but I don’t seem to be having much luck. :banghead:

Tif

It’s one of the ill side effects of the feminist movement. As much as it’s convinced women they all need to be part of the rat race just because men are it’s also taught them that if men like casual sex then they should want causal sex too. The problem is women don’t want casual sex, and women that engage in it go through signifcant pain. Which is why we are seeing the number of female alcoholics go through the roof. Before 60’s feminism alcoholism among women was never a significant social problem. Today’s modern woman is using alcohol to self medicate for the emotion pain she experiences from casual sex.