IS GOd of koran thesame as God of chirstianity?

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christianity teaches that God send his Son to suffer and die for the reparation of mans sin(matthew 16:21)(isaiah 53:10)
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God reveals thru koran that jesus did not die on the cross but somebody that resembles jesus died on jesus’s place.(surah 4:157)

That is apparent contradiction.

My question is, is the God of christianity thesame as the God of the Koran?If they are thesame God why their message contradicts each other?
 
God is God. Our understanding of who God is does not define God. God defines himself.

The question is which book and interpretation best reflects God’s true self.
 
The god of the Koran is not the same as the God of Christianity. Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and part of the Trinity. Jesus is truly God and truly man. The Koran denies the divinity of Jesus. If the Koran denies that Jesus is God, how could the god of the Koran be the God of Christianity? Jesus said in John 5:23, “…He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him.”
 
The name Allah predates the name of a pagan god. Therefore they used the that name and applied it to God.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”
 
God reveals himself through His works(oikonomia).Now,God reveals Himself by sending His only Son to redeem man.It reveals that God wills it that His Son will Die as sacrifice(isaiah 53:10)

NOW.

HERE comes the koran where God reveals that jesus did not die as a sacrifice for all(surah 4:157).It reveals that God did Not send his Son as a redeemer.

Do you think God WHO sent the Son into the world to die in a sacrificial death thesame as God of islam Who denies the sacrificial death of jesus? think…
 
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The name Allah predates the name of a pagan god. Therefore they used the that name and applied it to God.
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Ah, no.

Allah is the Arabic word that means God. It is not the name of God.

I attend a Melkite Greek Catholic parish. Part of our Divine Liturgy is done in Arabic. It is mostly done in English with some Greek too.

When we pray the Thrice Holy Hymn we pray it first in English, then Greek, then Arabic.

Here it is…

Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us. (Greek) Aghios o Theos, Aghios iskhiros, Aghios athanatos, eleison imas. (Arabic) Qudduson Illah, Qudduson ilqawi, Qudduson il ladhi, la yamout irhamna. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and forever. Amen. Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us.

The second word, Illah is a form of the word Allah.

Before I get any arguements on this. I have research Islam much as I stated in another post today. I have also spoken with the arab Catholics at my parish who are either immigrants from the Middle East or are first generation americans whose parents were/are immigrants from the Middle East.

As for my opinion, the god of the Qur’an and Islam is not the God we Catholics worship.
 
“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men…” (Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3).
 
Hello all.

I do believe that the Muslims worship the same God we do in as much as that is their intention, but their understanding of WHO God is differs from ours. So, rather than condemn those who differ, it is much more rewarding to pray for unity…and that is NOT a bad thing! - Mfaustina1 :yup:
 
Vincent,
Nice selective posting.

Vincent said:
“The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men…” (Second Vatican Council, Nostra Aetate 3).
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Here is the full paragraph. Notice the bold emphasis I added.
  1. The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
Now, they deny that Jesus is God, but call him a prophet. I do not see how that can be the same God we worship. As for the line about Mary, I know many muslims who would deny that statement.
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Mfaustina1:
Hello all.

I do believe that the Muslims worship the same God we do in as much as that is their intention, but their understanding of WHO God is differs from ours. So, rather than condemn those who differ, it is much more rewarding to pray for unity…and that is NOT a bad thing! - Mfaustina1 :yup:
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Mfaustina1,
I do not understand what you are trying to say here. Muslims do not intend to worship the same God as us. They claim that we worship multiple Gods. They say that the Trinity is really three gods, not one God in three.

Pray for unity? How can we have unity with that which is not true? We, as Catholics, have the Ture Faith. What you are calling for smells of moral relativeism.

Muslims do not think we worship the same God why should we?
 
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Vincent,
Nice selective posting.
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What’s so selective?

Of course Muslims don’t think Jesus is God. I would hope that everyone reading this thread already knows that. What some readers don’t seem to know is that this ecumenical council states that Muslims “adore the one God…” and “with us,” I might add.

Whether we agree with these statements from Vatican II, or how we are to reconcile them with the common knowledge that Muslims deny the divinity of Jesus, is another story altogether.
 
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Vincent:
What’s so selective?

Of course Muslims don’t think Jesus is God. I would hope that everyone reading this thread already knows that. What some readers don’t seem to know is that this ecumenical council states that Muslims “adore the one God…” and “with us,” I might add.

Whether we agree with these statements from Vatican II, or how we are to reconcile them with the common knowledge that Muslims deny the divinity of Jesus, is another story altogether.
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What’s so selective? The fact that you only quote what supports your view with out posting the whole statement as you do again with the Catechism.

Paragraph 841 of the Catechism does have those words, “with us” but you must read the whole thing in context. Here it is, again with bold emphasis added.

841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Where they profess to hold the faith of Abraham. I think this leaves it open for us to decide for ourselves.

Anyways, this is not a dogmatic teaching of the Church. It is not infallible. I do believe that Catholics can disagree on this as we can on many other issues.
 
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ByzCath:
Ah, no.

Allah is the Arabic word that means God. It is not the name of God.

I attend a Melkite Greek Catholic parish. Part of our Divine Liturgy is done in Arabic. It is mostly done in English with some Greek too.

When we pray the Thrice Holy Hymn we pray it first in English, then Greek, then Arabic.

Here it is…

Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us. (Greek) Aghios o Theos, Aghios iskhiros, Aghios athanatos, eleison imas. (Arabic) Qudduson Illah, Qudduson ilqawi, Qudduson il ladhi, la yamout irhamna. Glory be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Spirit, now and ever and forever. Amen. Holy God, Holy Mighty One, Holy Immortal One, have mercy on us.

The second word, Illah is a form of the word Allah.

Before I get any arguements on this. I have research Islam much as I stated in another post today. I have also spoken with the arab Catholics at my parish who are either immigrants from the Middle East or are first generation americans whose parents were/are immigrants from the Middle East.

As for my opinion, the god of the Qur’an and Islam is not the God we Catholics worship.
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think again BzyCath.

Dr. Warren Carroll of ewtn made it clear that Allah was name of the chief god of the Arabs Mohammed rejected all the other pagan gods and took this Chief God as being the true God. Islam isn’t a religion of peace.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”
 
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bones_IV:
think again BzyCath.

Dr. Warren Carroll of ewtn made it clear that Allah was name of the chief god of the Arabs Mohammed rejected all the other pagan gods and took this Chief God as being the true God. Islam isn’t a religion of peace.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”
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This may have been true at one point in time but today the word allah in arabic is the same as the word god in english.

Dr Carroll may know history but I do not think he is an expert in linguistics.

I have spoken to many native arabic speakers and they say it is so.

And again, in the Melkite Church when arabic is used, it is there.

I know this might be considered blasphemous to some here but not everything you read on EWTN is fact, the father the issue is from Catholicism (and not everything there is ture either) the more suspect it becomes.
 
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ByzCath:
This may have been true at one point in time but today the word allah in arabic is the same as the word god in english.

Dr Carroll may know history but I do not think he is an expert in linguistics.

I have spoken to many native arabic speakers and they say it is so.

And again, in the Melkite Church when arabic is used, it is there.

I know this might be considered blasphemous to some here but not everything you read on EWTN is fact, the father the issue is from Catholicism (and not everything there is ture either) the more suspect it becomes.
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I find EWTN more reliable than other sources I read. I stick by my answer and am not going to change it.

Padre Pio “Don’t worry, work and pray.”
 
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