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RosslynV
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As catholics, we view God as trinitarian. Since “catholic” means universal, can we say that God or the Trinity is a catholic God?
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meltzerboy
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I think most Catholics would say only in the sense that G-d gave us the Sacraments of the Church to become closer to Him. At the same time, however, G-d Himself is not bound by the Sacraments, so He is a catholic G-d only by means of being a universal G-d to everyone. Jews believe in the universality of G-d as well. The trinitarian nature of G-d is something that non-Catholic Christians also believe.
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Vanez
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The Trinity is in new testament so Protestans also believe in Trinity.
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Sonny89
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RosslynV
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just found out that Pope Francis stated in one of his interviews that God is not a catholic God.
I’m confused. Can anyone elaborate on what he meant?
I’m confused. Can anyone elaborate on what he meant?
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Tigg
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Can you provide a link to the interview?
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peace2u2
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The pope said:
“‘God is universal, and we are Catholic in the sense of the way we worship him.’”
Yes, the Catholic Church is “universal” because we welcome ALL people from ALL Nations just as Jesus commanded His first Apostles to do:
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit.
God is more concerned with His Law being written on your heart not your outward observance of the law by what religion you practice in order to worship Him.
God is not limited like we are.
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RosslynV
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Hey tigg, just Google scalfari Francis interview. Full interview under site repubblica.it
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Charlemagne_III
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Probably most Protestants, but not all.
Unitarians, for example, do not subscribe to the Trinity. I could be wrong there. Many of the Unitarians I know don’t even believe Jesus was divine.
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ThinkingSapien
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… and Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jesus is the same as Archangel Micheal.
@Vanez - That Christians read from similar bibles doesn’t imply they apply the same interpretations to it. The Trinity isn’t universally part of all the denominations of Christianity.
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Yarb
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Actually Michael, not Micheal.
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magnet
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Here is an excerpt from Wikipedia on nontrinitarianism:
Modern nontrinitarian Christian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God, International and the United Church of God. Also, all branches of Judaism are non-trinitarian, and consider the God of the Hebrew Scriptures to be one singular Person, with no divisions, or multi-persons within. Islam considers Jesus to be a prophet but not divine.[12] It has been described as anti-Trinitarian when compared to Christianity, or in books written for a Western audience: Islam teaches the absolute indivisibility of a supremely sovereign and transcendent god (see God in Islam),[13] and is further distinctly antitrinitarian as several verses of the Qur’an teach that the doctrine of Trinity is blasphemous.14
Modern nontrinitarian Christian groups or denominations include Christadelphians, Christian Scientists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Dawn Bible Students, Friends General Conference, Iglesia ni Cristo, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Living Church of God, Oneness Pentecostals, Members Church of God International, Unitarian Universalist Christians, The Way International, The Church of God, International and the United Church of God. Also, all branches of Judaism are non-trinitarian, and consider the God of the Hebrew Scriptures to be one singular Person, with no divisions, or multi-persons within. Islam considers Jesus to be a prophet but not divine.[12] It has been described as anti-Trinitarian when compared to Christianity, or in books written for a Western audience: Islam teaches the absolute indivisibility of a supremely sovereign and transcendent god (see God in Islam),[13] and is further distinctly antitrinitarian as several verses of the Qur’an teach that the doctrine of Trinity is blasphemous.14
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Tom_Baum
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First off, there is quite a difference between big C Catholic and small c catholic.
Big C Catholic refers to a denomination of Christians.
Small c catholic means universal.
You wrote, “As catholics, we view God as trinitarian”, many Catholics are not even close to being catholic in thinking of Jesus’s work on the cross in relationship to the Salvation of the world.
So instead of “As catholics, we view God as trinitarian”, are you actually saying , “As Catholics, we view God as trinitarian”?
God is a “catholic” God as far as being the God of ALL, however, Jesus, Who is considered God-Incarnate by Catholics, was not a Catholic, He was born a Jew, lived His life as a Jew and died a Jew, so God-Incarnate would be considered Jewish if considered by His religious affiliation.
I, personally, believe that God’s Plan is catholic and that God has had God’s Plan since before creation and as it is written, “It is God’s Will that ALL be saved”, therefore somehow God’s Will will come to Fruition.
So it is written that God’s Will is catholic and it is also written that God created all so that would also mean that God is catholic as it being the God of All.
Anyone can say whatever they want but if God Is God than God is catholic, small c catholic.
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Francesxavier
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Re: Jesus lived and died as a Jew. Jewish people do not believe that Jesus remained Jewish because His teachings, especially his claim to be God, is not faithful to Jewsish tradition. He most certainly intended to found a church. Choosing 12 men was no accident. 12 is the number of governance (12 judges, tribes of Israel,etc). He was not reforming Judaism, but in fulfilling the Messianic prophecies and in revealing His divinity, He rose above exclusivism and was undeniably catholic (small c – good point, BTW). I think that is what Pope Francis meant. Creation and salvation history, as Scott Hahm has shown, has progressed from two people to a family to a tribe to a nation to a universal inclusion of the whole world. The Son of God, born into the chosen nation, revealed the fullness of God’s infinite love.
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Tom_Baum
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As far as, “Jewish people do not believe that Jesus remained Jewish…”.
This is your opinion and to be honest with you, you are wrong, for the simple reason that not ALL Jewish People think the “same” thing concerning Jesus.
Some may “believe” what you say but by no means do ALL believe what you say concerning Jesus.
And as far as “opinions” go, it is my opinion that Jesus was born a Jew, lived as a Jew and died a Jew for the simple reason that Jesus, Himself, did not renounce His Jewishness.
Do you think/believe that God has a Plan?
Do you think/believe that God has had a Plan since before creation?
If so, do you think/believe that God’s Plan is catholic concerning the salvation of man, as it is written in the bible?
Or do you think/believe that God is just “winging it”?
I believe that what Jesus did is just part of God’s Plan, which God has had since before creation, unfolding before our very eyes.
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Francesxavier
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There is nothing in my post that even vaguely hints that I don’t believe that God has a plan for salvation history. The plan was in His mind before creation and announced the first time in the proto-evangelium in the garden. (BTW, hope you are having a blessed feast of the birth of Mary!) Anyway, my mother’s family are Jewish, and the consensus among them is that Jesus was a nice Jewish boy, so what happened to Him? Jesus was certainly born a Jew and considered a Rabbi by His contemporaries. However, the primary tenet of Judaism is “Hear, O Israel, the Lord your God is One.” So far all the Jewish people I know believe that Jesus’ claim to be the Son of God is incompatible with the meaning of that scripture. Judaism is extremely diverse, and there are probably observant Jews who have differing opinions. However, they all agree that claiming divine sonship pretty much excludes one from being considered observant. This website has lots of info about how Jesus is viewed in Judaism: jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/topics/jesus/
I agree with you completely – Jesus never renounced His Judaism. Yes, I believe the teachings of the Church and that they are universal. I’m sorry if my post sounded as though I am not in accord with the magisterium on the universality of the Church – big or little “c.”
I agree with you completely – Jesus never renounced His Judaism. Yes, I believe the teachings of the Church and that they are universal. I’m sorry if my post sounded as though I am not in accord with the magisterium on the universality of the Church – big or little “c.”
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