Is hell a literal place or state of being?

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As mentioned in the subject. Is hell a literal place or state of being? Through many revelations (Our Lady of Fatima showed hell to 3 seers, St John Bosco had vison of hell, Sister Josefa Menendez had visited hell physically and many more) I know that it’s a literal place beyond just a state of being. But I know some religious and lay men (member(s) of prayer group) say that its a state of being separated from God. I know that ultimate punishment of hell is separation from God due to the rejection on earth. But how to explain this to them?

I’ve already posted this forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=990955

But want more (name removed by moderator)uts of the members. Thanks to all in advance 🙂

In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.
Mother Teresa of Kolkata
 
If the children were shown a vision of Hell at Fatima, its a literal place.
 
Aw we would understand it, it is a place. Many have been shown it,Christ has referred to it as a place,scriptures clearly show it to be a place. It is also ere God is not and Satan IS. You are most likely ( as scripture and Saint s describe) in a " state of being"— torment while there. Our Lord desires that No one goes there hence why we must pray and witness for Him until our last day before death .( unless He comes before😊)
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As mentioned in the subject. Is hell a literal place or state of being? Through many revelations (Our Lady of Fatima showed hell to 3 seers, St John Bosco had vison of hell, Sister Josefa Menendez had visited hell physically and many more) I know that it’s a literal place beyond just a state of being. But I know some religious and lay men (member(s) of prayer group) say that its a state of being separated from God. I know that ultimate punishment of hell is separation from God due to the rejection on earth. But how to explain this to them?

I’ve already posted this forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=990955

But want more (name removed by moderator)uts of the members. Thanks to all in advance 🙂

In the final analysis, it is between you and God. It was never between you and them anyway.
Mother Teresa of Kolkata
Its a place down deep in the Earth.
 
Hell is a real place; people go there and never get out. :sad_yes:
 
Hell in the “intermediate state”, also referred to as “She’ol” (שאול) in Hebrew meaning “place of the dead”, substituted by the Greek word “Hades” (ᾅδης) meaning “underworld”, is a state of separation from God. I don’t think it would make sense for there to be literal fire in Hades since the soul is non-corporeal and thus it cannot physically feel things.

However, after the resurrection of the body, it is of the opinion of most theologians (though I don’t think it’s an official doctrine of the Church, correct me on that if I am wrong) that there will be a literal fire that will torment those who were damned in the intermediate state. Revelation 20:14 reads, “Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death.

Moreover, Jesus himself refers to a place called “Gehenna”, from the Greek “Ge’enna” (γέεννα), derived from the Aramaic “Gēhannā” (ܓܗܢܐ), meaning “Valley of Hinnom”, in which both the body and soul can be destroyed (Matthew 10:28). Jesus even says “It is better for you to enter the Kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes, to be cast into Gehenna.” - Mark 9:47

So I think it’s be most accurate to say that those who die in a state of mortal sin will experience hell as a state of separation from God in the intermediate state, and then after the resurrection will experience hell both as a state of separation and as a place of physical torment because they will have been thrown into what St.John calls the “lake of fire” or what Jesus calls “Gehenna.”
 
I hope and pray I never find out! 😇
Techno the centre of the earth is thought to be molten magma (lava).
And responsible for the Earth’s magnetic field, together with the moon.
 
I hope and pray I never find out! 😇
Techno the centre of the earth is thought to be molten magma (lava).
And responsible for the Earth’s magnetic field, together with the moon.
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ARTICLE 5
“HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN”

631 Jesus** "descended into the lower parts of the earth.** He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens."476 The Apostles’ Creed confesses in the same article Christ’s descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth:

Hippolytus

"But now we must speak of Hades, in which the souls both of the righteous and the unrighteous are detained. Hades is a place in the created system, rude, a locality beneath the earth, in which the light of the world does not shine; and as the sun does not shine in this locality, there must necessarily be perpetual darkness there.

Saul and the Medium at Endor

Saul then said to his attendants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her.”

“There is one in Endor,” they said.

So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. “Consult a spirit for me,” he said, “and bring up for me the one I name.”

But the woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?”

Saul swore to her by the Lord, “As surely as the Lord lives, you will not be punished for this.”

Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”

The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”

The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure coming up out of the earth.”

“What does he look like?” he asked.

“An old man wearing a robe is** coming up,**” she said.

Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by** bringing me up?”**

1 Samuel 28
 
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ARTICLE 5
“HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN”

631 Jesus** "descended into the lower parts of the earth.** He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens."476 The Apostles’ Creed confesses in the same article Christ’s descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth:

Hippolytus

"But now we must speak of Hades, in which the souls both of the righteous and the unrighteous are detained. Hades is a place in the created system, rude, a locality beneath the earth, in which the light of the world does not shine; and as the sun does not shine in this locality, there must necessarily be perpetual darkness there.

Saul and the Medium at Endor

Saul then said to his attendants, “Find me a woman who is a medium, so I may go and inquire of her.”

“There is one in Endor,” they said.

So Saul disguised himself, putting on other clothes, and at night he and two men went to the woman. “Consult a spirit for me,” he said, “and bring up for me the one I name.”

But the woman said to him, “Surely you know what Saul has done. He has cut off the mediums and spiritists from the land. Why have you set a trap for my life to bring about my death?”

Saul swore to her by the Lord, “As surely as the Lord lives, you will not be punished for this.”

Then the woman asked, “Whom shall I bring up for you?”

“Bring up Samuel,” he said.

When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out at the top of her voice and said to Saul, “Why have you deceived me? You are Saul!”

The king said to her, “Don’t be afraid. What do you see?”

The woman said, “I see a ghostly figure coming up out of the earth.”

“What does he look like?” he asked.

“An old man wearing a robe is** coming up,**” she said.

Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

Samuel said to Saul, “Why have you disturbed me by** bringing me up?”**

1 Samuel 28
Doesnt mean the middle of the earth , or the earth’s core, cant be made of molten magma, now does it? 😇🌋
 
Hell is a literal, physically real place. ‘To be in Hell’ is a state of being.

I do not believe the spirit King Saul talked to was really the prophet Samuel. A witch or necromancer would have had no power over the prophet, and God would not have rewarded her magic by telling Samuel to go to her. Saul was deceived by an evil spirit.
 
The Underworld, Abyss and Netherworld doesn’t necessarily mean the earth’s core,but it could be close to it.
Yep, could be in any one of the layers of the earth under us. Except those we ae actively mining etc.
But then, could be like heaven and be not of this world. Which makes more sense to me.

Descending into hell vs ascending into heaven. Perhaps hell is at the bottom of a black hole.

Seriously the catechism is saying descended into hell s descending to the lower parts of the earth?
 
Ephesians 4.9 has the comment
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““What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended into the lower [regions] of the earth?””

usccb.org/bible/ephesians/4:1

Which is not indicating thats where hell is.

A reference is again found in catechism on The Lord’s Prayer
2795 The symbol of the heavens refers us back to the mystery of the covenant we are living when we pray to our Father. He is in heaven, his dwelling place; the Father’s house is our homeland. Sin has exiled us from the land of the covenant,56 but conversion of heart enables us to return to the Father, to heaven.57 In Christ, then, heaven and earth are reconciled,58 for the Son alone “descended from heaven” and causes us to ascend there with him, by his Cross, Resurrection, and Ascension.59http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s2a2.htm

So to me, “He descended to the lower parts of earth”, is likely to mean from Heaven to Earth. Makes more sense.

I just cant imagine the Catholic Church saying guess what kids, we know where hell is, lets start drilling!
 
Yep, could be in any one of the layers of the earth under us. Except those we ae actively mining etc.
But then, could be like heaven and be not of this world. Which makes more sense to me.

Descending into hell vs ascending into heaven. Perhaps hell is at the bottom of a black hole.

Seriously the catechism is saying descended into hell s descending to the lower parts of the earth?
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Ephesians 4.9 has the comment
9
““What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended into the lower [regions] of the earth?””

usccb.org/bible/ephesians/4:1

Which is not indicating thats where hell is.

A reference is again found in catechism on The Lord’s Prayer
2795 The symbol of the heavens refers us back to the mystery of the covenant we are living when we pray to our Father. He is in heaven, his dwelling place; the Father’s house is our homeland. Sin has exiled us from the land of the covenant,56 but conversion of heart enables us to return to the Father, to heaven.57 In Christ, then, heaven and earth are reconciled,58 for the Son alone “descended from heaven” and causes us to ascend there with him, by his Cross, Resurrection, and Ascension.59http://www.vatican.va/archive/ccc_css/archive/catechism/p4s2a2.htm

So to me, “He descended to the lower parts of earth”, is likely to mean from Heaven to Earth. Makes more sense.

I just cant imagine the Catholic Church saying guess what kids, we know where hell is, lets start drilling!
Here is some private revelations… make of it what you want…jesus-passion.com/THE_PASSION6.htm#CHAPTER%20LIX
 
Seriously the catechism is saying descended into hell s descending to the lower parts of the earth?
CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH
ARTICLE 5
“HE DESCENDED INTO HELL. ON THE THIRD DAY HE ROSE AGAIN”

631 Jesus "descended into the lower parts of the earth. He who descended is he who also ascended far above all the heavens."476 The Apostles’ Creed confesses in the same article Christ’s descent into hell and his Resurrection from the dead on the third day, because in his Passover it was precisely out of the depths of death that he made life spring forth:

Christ, that Morning Star, who came back from the dead, and shed his peaceful light on all mankind, your Son who lives and reigns for ever and ever. Amen.477
Paragraph 1. Christ Descended into Hell

632 The frequent New Testament affirmations that Jesus was “raised from the dead” presuppose that the crucified one sojourned in the realm of the dead prior to his resurrection.478 This was the first meaning given in the apostolic preaching to Christ’s descent into hell: that Jesus, like all men, experienced death and in his soul joined the others in the realm of the dead. But he descended there as Savior, proclaiming the Good News to the spirits imprisoned there.479

633 Scripture calls the abode of the dead, to which the dead Christ went down, “hell” - Sheol in Hebrew or Hades in Greek - because those who are there are deprived of the vision of God.480 Such is the case for all the dead, whether evil or righteous, while they await the Redeemer: which does not mean that their lot is identical, as Jesus shows through the parable of the poor man Lazarus who was received into “Abraham’s bosom”:481 "It is precisely these holy souls, who awaited their Savior in Abraham’s bosom, whom Christ the Lord delivered when he descended into hell."482 Jesus did not descend into hell to deliver the damned, nor to destroy the hell of damnation, but to free the just who had gone before him.483

634 "The gospel was preached even to the dead."484 The descent into hell brings the Gospel message of salvation to complete fulfillment. This is the last phase of Jesus’ messianic mission, a phase which is condensed in time but vast in its real significance: the spread of Christ’s redemptive work to all men of all times and all places, for all who are saved have been made sharers in the redemption.

635 Christ went down into the depths of death so that "the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live."485 Jesus, “the Author of life”, by dying destroyed "him who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and [delivered] all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong bondage."486 Henceforth the risen Christ holds “the keys of Death and Hades”, so that "at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth."487

Today a great silence reigns on earth, a great silence and a great stillness. A great silence because the King is asleep. The earth trembled and is still because God has fallen asleep in the flesh and he has raised up all who have slept ever since the world began. . . He has gone to search for Adam, our first father, as for a lost sheep. Greatly desiring to visit those who live in darkness and in the shadow of death, he has gone to free from sorrow Adam in his bonds and Eve, captive with him - He who is both their God and the son of Eve. . . "I am your God, who for your sake have become your son. . . I order you, O sleeper, to awake. I did not create you to be a prisoner in hell. Rise from the dead, for I am the life of the dead."488
IN BRIEF

636 By the expression “He descended into hell”, the Apostles’ Creed confesses that Jesus did really die and through his death for us conquered death and the devil “who has the power of death” (Heb 2:14).

637 In his human soul united to his divine person, the dead Christ went down to the realm of the dead. He opened heaven’s gates for the just who had gone before him.
 
The Church does not define Hell as a place. It defines it as a state of being.

CCC 1033 We cannot be united with God unless we freely choose to love him. But we cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, against our neighbor or against ourselves: “He who does not love remains in death. Anyone who hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.” Our Lord warns us that we shall be separated from him if we fail to meet the serious needs of the poor and the little ones who are his brethren. To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice.** This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “Hell.”**

Here is a good Catholic Answers article about Hell.

catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/what-is-hell

One paragraph for easy reference:

"4. Is Hell a “Place” or a “State of Being?”

Hell is primarily a state of being, but inasmuch as the souls there will have bodies after the resurrection of the dead, they will have location as well. So, in that sense, we can say Hell is a “place.” In fact, we could say the same of heaven. But both heaven and hell are not “places” in the sense that the people there could “leave” and “return.” Inasmuch as these are states of being, “Heaven” and “Hell” are present wherever the saints and damned are."

I certainly do not believe that Hell is located in or near the core of the Earth and the Church certainly does not teach that.
 
That’s the Inferno from Dante’s La Divina Comedia, a 14th C work of fiction. Maybe in 700 years time people will think Harry Potter was real.

But it raises a question: if hell is inside the Earth, and the occupants are there forever, and more get added every year, how long before hell runs out of space?
I don’t think anyone would really defend the notion of it being a physical location that you could somehow visit if you had a sufficiently fast multidimensional spaceship.

But to entertain the idea, if everyone alive today can be crammed into a cubic mile and everyone alive today number about 5% of all people that ever lived, 20 cubic miles is such a small percentage of the volume of Earth that hell could probably expand for eons to come.

Scary thought, no?
 
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