Is Islam spreading in Europe?

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KathleenGee said:
The program aired giving info was ‘Threshold of Hope’ by Fr Mitch Pacwa this past week…Feb 20?..I don’t know if they have copies…

But yes, Fr Mitch was made aware by a colleague who was listening to Al Jazeera. I was in Sub Sahara and the Christian populations have been exploding…and they are seeing greater witness of God in Christianity. So it caused me to believe it.

I also heard a same report so many years ago but it was pointing to another population source. I do know that there is consistent stories of Muslim conversions appearing to come from a same supernatural form…

People are praying all over the world for Muslims.
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My question is, why aren’t we seeing big changes in the “Religion” field of the “People” section in African nations’ CIA World Factbook entries to reflect this ostensible trend? :confused:
 
Good question.

Also, I am now reading communist Chinese Christians now falling in faith due to new materialism.

And also on talk in that program, Sub Saharan Africans are now on with cell phones and download our filth…so now the high tech secularization is entering that part of the world…

Now they are going in direction we are…
 
Britain could well be a Muslim country at some point in the near future.
 
Robin_des_Bois said:
Europeans no longer believe in God.
There was a poll done by the EuroBarometer I think about this.
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I think the Vatican is located in Europe. I think Westminster Abbey is located in Europe. In fact I think there are a great many churches located throughout Europe. Yes, attendance has dropped dramatically, sad to say. But please don’t use such sweeping statements as “Europeans no longer believe in God.” It is grossly inaccurate.
 
KathleenGee said:
Good question.

Also, I am now reading communist Chinese Christians now falling in faith due to new materialism.

And also on talk in that program, Sub Saharan Africans are now on with cell phones and download our filth…so now the high tech secularization is entering that part of the world…

Now they are going in direction we are…
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So Sub Sahara Africans are becoming “civilized” and “free from this oppressive thing called religion”.
 
Just as communist China has its share of Christianity…the Christians are now losing faith in some areas due to the materialism that is now affecting China.

Christianity has been growing very much in Sub Sahara Africa. We have priests from Tanzania who are pastoring many parishes, and they are brilliant, and have great insight into Sacred Scripture.

Here in America, no matter how devout the parents, the secular culture of cell phones, downloading movies with all the sex and profanity and complete ignorance of solid family life, because it touches on all the 5 senses, the internet which can be both a good thing and a bad thing, has a tremendous effect on young minds, so pliable.

The anti-religion propagandists of the secular media, its exploitation of clergy scandals, the violence and hatred we see in religious fundamentalism, has turn so many young away from religion.

So the concern is, through the use of cell phones in Africa…the old ones thrown away here are sent there, used phones…but the natives are using them to download movies…and considering the lack of values…a more inherent motive to destroy the sense of all that is sacred…which Catholic Christianity promotes…is going to begin now to corrupt those people.

I have worked there in Sub Sahara and when I came home, I could immediately look into a person’s eyes and recognize those who came from overseas. It is the corruption here and how it hardens people.

Who I am addressing are those who are born into African Christian families.

Does this help clarify, Robin?
 
KathleenGee said:
Just as communist China has its share of Christianity…the Christians are now losing faith in some areas due to the materialism that is now affecting China.

Christianity has been growing very much in Sub Sahara Africa. We have priests from Tanzania who are pastoring many parishes, and they are brilliant, and have great insight into Sacred Scripture.

Here in America, no matter how devout the parents, the secular culture of cell phones, downloading movies with all the sex and profanity and complete ignorance of solid family life, because it touches on all the 5 senses, the internet which can be both a good thing and a bad thing, has a tremendous effect on young minds, so pliable.

The anti-religion propagandists of the secular media, its exploitation of clergy scandals, the violence and hatred we see in religious fundamentalism, has turn so many young away from religion.

So the concern is, through the use of cell phones in Africa…the old ones thrown away here are sent there, used phones…but the natives are using them to download movies…and considering the lack of values…a more inherent motive to destroy the sense of all that is sacred…which Catholic Christianity promotes…is going to begin now to corrupt those people.

I have worked there in Sub Sahara and when I came home, I could immediately look into a person’s eyes and recognize those who came from overseas. It is the corruption here and how it hardens people.

Who I am addressing are those who are born into African Christian families.

Does this help clarify, Robin?
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thats very interesting what you have said about technology KathleenGee.

seeing as you use the computer,how is your faith?

dont underestimate the power of the holy spirit… the youth are being dumbed down by all of this,they will wake up for sure.but they need good Catholics to be there when they wake up.now that might be the problem,will there be any about?for sure they will.Jesus never leaves us in our lives,we choose to leave him.but he is always there…

now back to the head of the thread… yes it is spreading,along with atheism.and a whole lot more anti-Christian life styles…the atheism is the worst of the lot… not the atheism that minds its own business but the dawkins sort of atheism… ruthless.its God less need i say more…
 
Germany “well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050”

If demographic trends continue. “German Population Plunge ‘Irreversible,’ Federal Stats Office Admits: Expected that one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025,” by Gudrun Schultz for LifeSiteNews lifesitenews.com/news/archive//ldn/2006/nov/06110903, with thanks to David:
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BERLIN, Germany, November 9, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Germany’s downward spiral in population is no longer reversible, the country’s federal statistics office said Tuesday. The birthrate has dropped so low that immigration numbers cannot compensate.

“The fall in the population can no longer be stopped,” vice-president Walter Rademacher with the Federal Statistics Office said, reported Agence France-Presse.

Germany has the lowest birthrate in Europe, with an average of 1.36 children per woman. Despite government incentives to encourage larger families, the population is dropping rapidly and that trend will continue, with an expected loss of as much as 12 million by 2050. That would mean about a 15 percent drop from the country’s current population of 82.4 million, the German news source Deutsche Welle reported today.

The low birthrate will cause the German population to age dramatically over the next 40 years--last year there were 144,000 more deaths than births, and that number could increase to 600,000 by 2050, the FSO forecast stated.

With a 22 percent reduction in the workforce and increasing costs for senior assistance and medical care, the drop in population is expected to have a radical impact on the nation’s economy, along with the welfare budget....

Germany has one of the largest populations of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, with a Muslim community of over 3 million. That trend is expected to continue, leading some demographic trend-watchers to warn that the country is well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050, Deutsche Welle reported.

The Brussels Journal reported last month that one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025. There are an estimated 50 million Muslims living in Europe today--that number is expected to double over the next twenty years.
jihadwatch.org/2006/11/germany-well-on-the-way-to-becoming-a-muslim-state-by-2050.html
 
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Germany has one of the largest populations of Muslim immigrants in Western Europe, with a Muslim community of over 3 million. That trend is expected to continue, leading some demographic trend-watchers to warn that the country is well on the way to becoming a Muslim state by 2050, Deutsche Welle reported.
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The Brussels Journal reported last month that one third of all European children will be born to Muslim families by 2025. There are an estimated 50 million Muslims living in Europe today--that number is expected to double over the next twenty years.
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Something isn’t adding up here. If Germany’s Muslim population constitutes less than four million people, and this figure is the highest in Western Europe, how can the continent host fifty million Muslim inhabitants: where are they all?
 
Trebor135 said:
Something isn’t adding up here. If Germany’s Muslim population constitutes less than four million people, and this figure is the highest in Western Europe, how can the continent host fifty million Muslim inhabitants: where are they all?
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It says 50 million Muslims in Europe. Europe is huge and is not solely the country of Germany but of all the countries in Europe.
Wiki - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Europe
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Current population and its perception
Muslim-majority areas in Europe
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According to the Pew Forum, the total number of Muslims in Europe in 2010 was about 44 million (6%),[14] excluding Turkey. The total number of Muslims in the European Union in 2010 was about 19 million (3.8%).[14] Approximately 9 million Turks are living in Europe, excluding the Turkish population of Turkey, which makes up the largest Muslim immigrant community in Europe.[15] However the real number of Muslims in Europe is not well-know. The percentage of Muslims in Russia (the biggest group of Muslims in Europe) vary from 5[16] to 30%, depending on sources. It also depend if only observant muslim believer are counted, or all people with Muslim ancestor.[citation needed]
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The Muslim population in Europe is extremely diverse with varied histories and origins. Today, the Muslim-majority regions of Europe are Albania, Kosovo, parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina, and some Russian regions in Northern Caucasus and the Volga region. The Muslim-dominated Sandžak of Novi Pazar is divided between Serbia and Montenegro. They consist predominantly of indigenous Europeans of the Muslim faith whose religious tradition dates back several hundred years. The transcontinental countries of Turkey, Azerbaijan and Kazakhstan also are Muslim majority. The Muslim population in Western Europe is composed primarily of peoples who arrived to the European continent in or after (1945), when France declared itself a country of immigration. Muslim emigration to metropolitan France surged during the Algerian War of Independence. In 1961, West German Government invited first Gastarbeiters. Similar contracts were offered by Switzerland. The Muslim population tends to suffer Islamophobia all over Europe, although the perceptions and views of Muslims may vary.[17]
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The UN High Commissioner for Refugees estimated that 70% of the people of Albania [18][19][20] are Muslim, 91% in Kosovo, and 30% of them in Macedonia are Muslim. Bosnia has a Muslim plurality. In transcontinental countries such as Turkey 99%, and 93% in Azerbaijan[21] of the population is Muslim respectively. Muslims also form about one sixth of the population of Montenegro. In Russia, Moscow is home to an estimated 1.5 million Muslims.[22][23][24]
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Don Melvin wrote in 2004 that, excluding Russia, Europe’s Muslim population will double by 2020. He also says that almost 85% of Europe’s total population growth in 2005 was due to immigration in general.[23][25] Omer Taspinar predicted in 2001 that the Muslim population of Europe will nearly double by 2015, while the non-Muslim will shrink by 3.5%, if the higher Muslim birth rate persists.[26] In the UK, between 2001 and 2009, the Muslim population increased roughly 10 times faster than the rest of the population.[27]
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A 2007 Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) report argued that some Muslim population projections are overestimated.[28] Philip Jenkins of Penn State University estimates that by 2100, Muslims will compose about 25% of Europe’s population. Jenkins states this figure does not take account divergent birthrates amongst Europe’s immigrant Christians.[29] Other analysts are skeptical about the accuracy of the claimed Muslim population growth, stating that because many European countries do not ask a person’s religion on official forms or in censuses, it has been difficult to obtain accurate estimates, and arguing that there has been a decrease in Muslim fertility rates in Morocco, the Netherlands and Turkey.[30] A Pew Research Center study, published in January 2011, forecast an increase of Muslims in European population from 6% in 2010 to 8% in 2030.[14] Pew also found that Muslim fertility rate in Europe would drop from 2.2 in 2010 to 2.0 in 2030. On the other hand, the non-Muslim fertility rate in Europe would increase from 1.5 in 2010 to 1.6 in 2030.[14]
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How was my faith after I returned from Sub Sahara…it essentially fell into becoming lukewarm. Not because of technology, but a gradual decline…faith turned in on itself…

When we do not give our faith to the world, it gradually dies.

I also had absorbed confusion after my exposure to overseas liberation theology and class warfare in the midst of great human suffering.

The day John Paul II was shot in Rome, I got down on my knees and prayed the rosary. Likewise, I was at a new Catholic bookstore the very same day…and saw this Catholic prophecy booklet, and began reading and it showed me how tepid my faith had become…I was completely purged.

From then on I sought a more penitential life, although I still struggle with not doing as much penance as I should.

Modern technology and media in this country put up a buffer, and the soul gradually loses its ability ‘to eat’…of true spirituality.

I am afraid the young people who vote they way have, will be the very ones who will carry all the consequences of their choice, irregardless of the exhortations of their Christian parents to do otherwise. Perhaps then is when they will cry out to the Lord…and He will come.
 
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