Is it a sin to lie to a mentally disturbed person in this particular circumstance?

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I want to have thicker hair, but my mother wants it shorter. My thicker amount of hair evens out the shape of my head and looks much better on me. If I have shorter hair my face looks worse, and the entire appearance of my head is distorted. I have poured my heart out to my mother about how much it means to me to have more hair, but she has stated more then once that she does not care about my dignity, and does not care about how much she emotionally torments me by doing this. Because I have refused to get a haircut she will not allow me to go to Confession and Mass, anywhere else out of the house except school, and she has taken other rights away from me.
In order to solve this, there is a certain style I could put my hair to make it look as if I got a haircut, and claim to my mother that I got a haircut. Although I would have earned all these rights back, one issue remains;
Would it be a sin for me to say a fib to my (what I believe to be) mentally disturbed mother who intentionally wants to harm my emotional well-being? Also, if I went to Confession with the intention of later fibbing to my mother about my hair, would it be a valid Confession? She has said more then once that she does not care about my dignity.
It also may be necessary to mention that my mother refuses to get any counseling, medicine or help for her obsession with control. This seems like an impossible situation.
 
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PMV:
I want to have thicker hair, but my mother wants it shorter. My thicker amount of hair evens out the shape of my head and looks much better on me. If I have shorter hair my face looks worse, and the entire appearance of my head is distorted. I have poured my heart out to my mother about how much it means to me to have more hair, but she has stated more then once that she does not care about my dignity, and does not care about how much she emotionally torments me by doing this. Because I have refused to get a haircut she will not allow me to go to Confession and Mass, anywhere else out of the house except school, and she has taken other rights away from me.
In order to solve this, there is a certain style I could put my hair to make it look as if I got a haircut, and claim to my mother that I got a haircut. Although I would have earned all these rights back, one issue remains;
Would it be a sin for me to say a fib to my (what I believe to be) mentally disturbed mother who intentionally wants to harm my emotional well-being?
A careful reading of your post shows no evidence you have presented here that she “intentionally wants” to harm your well-being.

The reason is you have not explained why she wants to do it, only what she isn’t willing to let stand in her way. Does she think you look unacceptable with the longer hair or there is something intrinsically “evil” about it? You have said she doesn’t care about your dignity, but I’d like to think that there is something she is sacrificing it for.
Also, if I went to Confession with the intention of later fibbing to my mother about my hair, would it be a valid Confession? She has said more then once that she does not care about my dignity.
It would be pointless IMO to go to confession as some sort of protection against a lie. It might be a good idea to present your situation to the priest and seek advice, rather than going in with predetermined notion.
It also may be necessary to mention that my mother refuses to get any counseling, medicine or help for her obsession with control. This seems like an impossible situation.
We have to find out what is driving this control issue. Be advised that if this gets into a discussion about mental health, CA may shut down the thread because their policy has been not to get into certain types of discussions. If that happens, then you are welcome to PM me and I can lead you to a forum where these things can be discussed more. Meanwhile, I’ll try to keep this generic so we can keep this thread pretty clean.

I’m hearing what you are saying, but I’m not convinced that counseling on the part of mom is the best first step; there may be other ways you can negotiate this thing and find out what in the world is bugging her. Who knows? Maybe she once was harassed for having long hair and has some aversion and doesn’t even remember why?

Also I’m curious whether she is insisting on a particular style that you hate, or if the issue is simply about being shorter hair. That could make some difference, though I’m not sure how just yet.

Alan
 
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AlanFromWichita:
A careful reading of your post shows no evidence you have presented here that she “intentionally wants” to harm your well-being.

The reason is you have not explained why she wants to do it, only what she isn’t willing to let stand in her way. Does she think you look unacceptable with the longer hair or there is something intrinsically “evil” about it? You have said she doesn’t care about your dignity, but I’d like to think that there is something she is sacrificing it for.
She has hinted various times that she does intentionally want to harm my well-being. Noticing her various statements and actions, I have come to the conclusion that the reason she wants me to get my hair cut is because she does not want me to feel good about myself. As horrible as this may seem, she wants to sacrifice my dignity for her own. Me looking worse makes her somehow feel better about herself; it’s a mental sickness.

I will continue my response to this later.
 
Is it possible to talk to your priest about this issue after you have lied to go and see him?
 
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PMV:
She has hinted various times that she does intentionally want to harm my well-being. Noticing her various statements and actions, I have come to the conclusion that the reason she wants me to get my hair cut is because she does not want me to feel good about myself. As horrible as this may seem, she wants to sacrifice my dignity for her own. Me looking worse makes her somehow feel better about herself; it’s a mental sickness.

I will continue my response to this later.
I’ve been reading your various posts. You keep talking about how your mom wants to hurt you, yet all you talk about is your hair and not having a driver’s license. Honestly, you sound like the typical 17 year old (hey, when I was 17 I actually thought my parents didn’t want me to be happy). Sorry if I sound harsh, but we’ve all been there, at 17 people tend to think their parents are mean, unbending, too strict, etc, so I’m having a hard time buying what you’re saying.

If I’m wrong and this is a case of abuse, why are you here talking about it? Why haven’t you talked to a priest, a teacher, a friend’s parent, heck, why haven’t you called DFS or gone to the police?? You said you’re going to school, talk to a teacher there! There has to be someone in this world you trust. Get help!
 
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aurora77:
I’ve been reading your various posts. You keep talking about how your mom wants to hurt you, yet all you talk about is your hair and not having a driver’s license. Honestly, you sound like the typical 17 year old (hey, when I was 17 I actually thought my parents didn’t want me to be happy). Sorry if I sound harsh, but we’ve all been there, at 17 people tend to think their parents are mean, unbending, too strict, etc, so I’m having a hard time buying what you’re saying.

If I’m wrong and this is a case of abuse, why are you here talking about it? Why haven’t you talked to a priest, a teacher, a friend’s parent, heck, why haven’t you called DFS or gone to the police?? You said you’re going to school, talk to a teacher there! There has to be someone in this world you trust. Get help!
I don’t know—if she is forbiding him from going anywhere except school, even to Mass, over a haircut, it does sound as if there are control issues on mom’s part.
 
Mom of one:
I don’t know—if she is forbiding him from going anywhere except school, even to Mass, over a haircut, it does sound as if there are control issues on mom’s part.
Yeah, but why? I can’t help think that there’s waaay more to this story than we’re hearing. Either the mom’s acting wierder than PMV is saying or he’s doing something to be grounded. I still stand by–if he’s being abused, talk to a teacher. Do it tomorrow!!
 
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aurora77:
Yeah, but why? I can’t help think that there’s waaay more to this story than we’re hearing. Either the mom’s acting wierder than PMV is saying or he’s doing something to be grounded. I still stand by–if he’s being abused, talk to a teacher. Do it tomorrow!!
There is clearly waay more than we’re hearing. It takes time to get to the salient details, because I’m sure there are a lot of details that are just distracting.

That said, though, from my own work on a crisis intervention hotline, I can’t say at this point whether going to a teacher or other authority is likely to be useful strategy. I can hardly say how many times I “technically” was supposed to suggest getting the Kansas SRS involved, only to be told that they were involved and have made things worse. The problem here is that the mother may very well have a mental illness problem, but once the government gets involved – which it must if an authority figures learns of abuse – then the options to treat it within the family as a spiritual or medical issue becomes clouded with legal issues. Most, if not all, teachers are bound by law to report anything they know about suspected abuse, and the way the law proceeds to “help” with the situation may not be the type of help anybody involved wants.

Alan
 
It is a sin to lie no matter what. But agreed, there is more to this story than meets the eye. I think this person needs to sit down
and have a serious talk with the mother and the priest should be there as well.
 
I would not say having a strange haircut is really a problem.

My dad asks me if I would like him to cut my hair sometimes. He is no hairdresser, and sometimes its wonky and funny. But, WHO CARES. Letting him do it gives him so much happiness that he is helping me that I dont care what i look like.

ASk yourself, are you willing to suffer humiliation for Christ? So WHAT if you think your hair is funny. Life is more than just you hair. Or even what you look like.

We should always care what God thinks of us.

Not our friends.

In Christ.

Andre.
 
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Magicsilence:
ASk yourself, are you willing to suffer humiliation for Christ? So WHAT if you think your hair is funny. Life is more than just you hair. Or even what you look like.
If this is a case of bona fide mental illness, the only addendum I’d offer is that you consider whom the humiliation if for.

For example, a little bit “dorky” especially if the damage can be ameliorated with strategic use of clippies, may be as much a sign of love as anything. When certain mentally ill people, including mothers, insist on certain weird ways of clothes, they often draw attention to the child, and consequently to the mother’s illness.

Therefore, I wish to keep open the idea that although suffering humiliation with patience is in accordance with the only Commandment with a promise and is instrinsically good, such suffering may actually embarrass the parents for their problems. In one case, a mother kept sending the kids to school in heavy winter coats when it was very warm out; the kids confided in a teacher near the front door to dump their coats in her room when they got in and picked them up at the end of the day. This was obedient to mom, but also avoided additional scandal if they walked through the school dressed strangely. The mother’s mental health is another issue entirely; I’m only talking about strategies for this poster to deal with the situation as it is now.

Alan
 
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aurora77:
If I’m wrong and this is a case of abuse, why are you here talking about it? Why haven’t you talked to a priest, a teacher, a friend’s parent, heck, why haven’t you called DFS or gone to the police?? You said you’re going to school, talk to a teacher there! There has to be someone in this world you trust. Get help!
Um…I have to address this part of your comment.

My Mom is bipolar, and when I was in Jr. High/High School what she did to me was intolerable, but I didn’t go to anyone for a couple of reasons:
  • I did NOT want anyone to know about what was happening at home. I was already embarassed enough at my mother’s very public behavior…I did not want anyone else to know how awful it was…the looks of pity I got were bad enough.
  • I was not sure that I was not just being a teenager in my perception. I didn’t actually understand that everyone else was not dealing with the same thing I was. It wasn’t until I was 18 or so that I learned that other people’s parents didn’t do what my Mom did.
Let’s give the OP a chance. It’s hard to ask for help and the first time I finally stepped out and asked for assistance, I went to my school guidance counselor and the principal and asked about how I could become an emancipated minor, and by that time I had run away from home because I didn’t know where else to go.

It should not have gotten to that point.

If the OP has a metally ill parent, then it is important to find someone to discuss this with…a. trusted ADULT, not just a peer. Someone who is balanced and can see the difference between a concerned parent and actual irrationality.

Someone who is willing to actually care and not pooh-pooh and dismiss a real complaint from a contrived complaint.

Someone who is able to distinguish a real problem .

Parental mental illness is a real and serious problem, and often, those who are experiencing the results of it, and were raised to be obedient, do the parent’s will, etc…have a very difficult time in overcoming “obedience” in order to obtain real help. And the mental health system actually requires physical abuse or attempted suicide in order to actually function.

My first act as an adult was to sign my mother inot the hospital on a 72 hour hold after she had attempted suicide.

Had I known then what I know now, this would not have happened.

My advice to the OP is, that if there is really a problem, call a crisis hotline, explain your situation and ask what you can do to help your mother. If she is mentally ill, then it is not about YOU, but about getting her the help that she needs.
 
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JCPhoenix:
If the OP has a metally ill parent, then it is important to find someone to discuss this with…a. trusted ADULT, not just a peer. Someone who is balanced and can see the difference between a concerned parent and actual irrationality.
Excellent advice. The key word here is TRUSTED. Just because they are in a position of authority does NOT make them trusted, as many adults, especially teachers, are required by law to take certain issues directly to the government, which has a poor track record of applying “treatment” that is worse than the cure.

I’ve found that many times, unfortunately, teenagers are better at dealing with other teenagers without hysteria and imagined “role hats” than adults, because adults (especially non-parental adult authorities) have a habit of “pulling the trigger” and unleashing cures which cause harmful effects of their own which can be even more permanent than the problem. I wish people would really, really, understand what they are saying before they easily tell a child to “tell an adult.” A couple kids I know about found out the hard way that telling a teacher about a problem is NOT a wise course of action for either the person involved or the friend “helping him out.”

In fact, I think this mentalilty is partly why we lack unity. We are trained as kids to be suspicious of each other and even ourselves, and that the solution is not turning to God but to an “institutionally connected” adult.

At least if you talk to a priest in a confessional it’s supposed to be private so the chances of it becoming worse for having told are reduced.
Someone who is willing to actually care and not pooh-pooh and dismiss a real complaint from a contrived complaint.
Someone who is able to distinguish a real problem .
Parental mental illness is a real and serious problem, and often, those who are experiencing the results of it, and were raised to be obedient, do the parent’s will, etc…have a very difficult time in overcoming “obedience” in order to obtain real help. And the mental health system actually requires physical abuse or attempted suicide in order to actually function.
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My first act as an adult was to sign my mother inot the hospital on a 72 hour hold after she had attempted suicide.
Had I known then what I know now, this would not have happened.
Exactly! They tried like hell to get my wife to sign papers against me because they had locked me up with no authorization and their deadlines was coming up. They would get me into contrived meetings and then call her at home and lie to her about me because there was only one thing important: to cover their butt for illegally locking me up in the first place.

I finally went along with it and signed myself in after three days when I had neither even ever met the doctor who signed the order to lock me up, or refused to even address, much less anser, my repeated questions to them on why they have locked me up and how was it my civil liberties were being taken away when they have not even made the claim that I am a danger to myself or others.

This is how the mental health system works. Its most important feature is to maintain Apostolic Succession clear since Sigmund Freud, and to keep the “manna” that they pass down totally in-house. It is a vicious system, worse in ways than the criminal justice system. The criminal justice system would not dare have treated BTK like they did me or he would be walking the streets (save possible vigilante justice) because is it illegal to treat a criminal like a “suspected” mentally ill patient.
My advice to the OP is, that if there is really a problem, call a crisis hotline, explain your situation and ask what you can do to help your mother. If she is mentally ill, then it is not about YOU, but about getting her the help that she needs.
Thank you. This is excellent advice.

I might add that as a trained telephone crisis hotline counselor with the Kansas Children’s Services League, I can do this work.

PMV, I will send you contact information by PM, and you are welcome to contact me. Your secrets are safe, your sanity will be verified but not tested as we sort these issues out. You sound like a lovely young person dealing with a difficult situation and I am certain I can help at least to the extent where you can get this sorted out a bit and maybe reframe your point of view. Not claiming any particular results, but I have seen some very convincing healing in the past.

Alan
 
I think PMV needs to make an appointment for a face-to-face talk with a priest and not deal with this in the confessional.

I’m concerned about him, though, because he hasn’t posted in a while.
 
Not only is lying a sin, so is choosing to miss mass rather than get a haircut.
 
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JCPhoenix:
My advice to the OP is, that if there is really a problem, call a crisis hotline, explain your situation and ask what you can do to help your mother. If she is mentally ill, then it is not about YOU, but about getting her the help that she needs.
I agree with this completely. That’s pretty much what I was trying to say. If he’s really in need of help, there’s got to be someone he can trust; if a local crisis line is the answer, that’s the way to go. And, as to the parent with a mental illness–been there, still deal with that. Not to the degree you did/still do, but I can relate.

Also, I just want to make clear that I wasn’t digging for details about the situation–I was just making the point that if there is a true problem, there has to be more going on. Having to cut your hair in itself is not a big deal, if there are serious underlying issues, it could be.
 
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