Is it a sin to say I create my own circumstances? To say I am a creator?

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Hello I have a question.

I have been listening to a lot of self-help/motivational mp3s and one of the tracks say that we create our own circumstances.

That being said, is it a sin to say/believe that I create my own circumstances in life?

Are we co-creators with God?
 
Thou shalt not have strange gods before me.

The Bible also mentions a King Herod during Jesus time who was praised by the people
“The voice of god and not of a man. But when Herod went to speak he was struck down by an angel and eaten by worms because he did not give the glory to God.”

Also:
Caesar the first Roman Emperor, the day he claimed himself a God he was stabbed to death by his second in Command and by his own politicians.

Claiming to be Divine or to be a god is a terrible crime in God’s eyes…

The creator made the entire world by his words.
The creator is eternal.

You are just a human being.

But God does permit humans to be Co creators and continue on the work of creation, as parents and as workers in our missions, and even through things like gardening or art.
 
Man proposes but God disposes. Anything and everything in which we are involved could come to a sudden end through things beyond our control. An earthquake, as in Italy, a civil war, as in Syria, a persecution, as in the life of Anne Frank, derailed or ended all the plans and hopes of people just like yourself. Maybe even better, wiser, kinder and nobler than yourself. It is more important to remember that life is fragile, and all the more precious on that account, than to imagine we are in control.

Certainly it is an excellent thing to use the creative talents that the good God has given us and it is no sin to take pleasure in our work. All that we do, however, is provisional and temporary in a world that will pass away. Always bear these things in mind and you will have a just sense of proportion.
 
I think this way of thinking, along with positive thinking, just gets used as a stick to beat people in difficult situations that they have little control over.
 
Whoa, pardners. Let’s slow down here.

In ordinary English, as opposed to theological English, “creator” with a small C just means somebody doing and making things in an ordinary way. Company creator, game creator, story creator, content creator, model creator, blah blah blah. In that sense, a lot of people can be small-c creators. Since the tape is having you say “a” creator, not “the Creator,” you are using it in this sense. So it may or may not be a stupid motivational program, but it’s not encouraging sinful presumption or blasphemy.

In theological terms, to “create” is to make something appear from absolutely nothing (ex nihilo). Humans cannot fully do that, and therefore we are not Creators with a capital C. We are “co-workers with” God, as Paul says, however. That’s “co-” in the Greek or Roman sense, where it means somebody is being a lesser participant, like Bob the newbie intern. But “co-creator” would be kind of a confusing term for humans, so it isn’t something we say.

The accepted term, invented by J.R.R. Tolkien of all people, is actually “sub-creator.” (You can read about it in his famous essay, “On Fairy-Stories.”) We can create mental creations almost from nothing, in the realms of art and imagination. We have similar powers with engineering and all the other professions that are about making things. We don’t start from nothing; we use available tools and materials, and we use our observations and knowledge of the world around us. We also use and share ideas from all the other humans who have ever lived. But this making is not something animals or plants can do. It is one of the powers God gave Eve and Adam before the Fall, but that we did not entirely lose after the Fall.

(And actually, the word “poet” comes from the Greek word for “maker.” The old English and Scottish word for a poet was also “makar” or “maker.”)

Something like that is also true of the circumstances of our own lives. We aren’t individually responsible for the existence of gravity (God did that one) or for what kind of government is in the country of our birth (other humans did that one, either encouraged by God or just allowed by Him to muck things up for everybody else).

We aren’t responsible for the genetics or parental care of our own bodies, but each of us is individually responsible for the consequences of how each of us treats our own bodies. And if I refuse to brush my teeth or drink calcium or stop eating tons of sugar candy all day every day, and all my teeth fall out of my head, I have definitely created that circumstance. If it turns out that I wasn’t taking care of myself because I was depressed or crazy, my responsibility would be lessened, but I would still be a participant. (I could have asked for help, for example.)

So sometimes we do create our own circumstances, and sometimes we don’t. It’s hard to tell how much responsibility we have. God knows because He has perfect knowledge. We don’t.

I agree that some of these programs put too much pressure on an individual person. But if you take it the right way (“Yes, I should brush my teeth even if I’m depressed! Let me get up and brush my teeth right now, before I fall back into bad habits!” or “I know I have problems, but I will figure out little ways to make life better for myself and do them every day!”), that sort of thing can be helpful.

You do have plenty of power and control over your own life, even if it’s by doing little things in corners or learning to think in a sane and reasoned way. That is part of your Christian vocation as an anointed little priest, prophet, and king, a co-heir with Jesus and part of His Body. It is also part of God’s command to Adam and Eve to care for the world and tame it; so it is part of the basics of being a human being even for non-Christians.

You can’t do everything, but you are supposed to do what can be done. And there’s a lot that you can do, just as one person. Being creative and being determined are how you obey God’s will.

If this particular program makes you uncomfortable, you don’t have to listen to it, of course. Like I say, motivational stuff can be very helpful or very stupid and useless. But you certainly haven’t sinned.
 
If you are speaking specifically of our physical circumstances - our state in life, our status, our work, our relationships - everything good in our lives comes from God, we are not co-creators, at most we can simply be co-operators with his grace. We have no merit in and of ourselves, therefore it is not right to claim we are creators of our own circumstances. We also know for sure that God often creates the very worst circumstances for the very best of his people, in ways they certainly didn’t ask for. Think of Job, I really recommend you read Job. Control is an illusion, and a dangerous one that leads to pride and/or anxiety. It is also an immense distraction for our lives, we miss important things when we plot our own glory. Remember that the last will be first and the first will be last.

I don’t mean to discourage you in self improvement though. I totally understand the appeal of motivational stuff, I used to be the poster-girl for procrastination and when I was younger my life seemed to be going nowhere. So I hope you don’t mind if I make a recommendation - I think volunteering is an incredibly awesome way to achieve self improvement - and it leads to things you could never have imagined. New perspectives, new skills, new friends, new opportunities. And usually it keeps you so busy and engaged you really don’t have to overthink it- and you usually have to make a commitment so you cant back out even on the days you don’t feel like it - that can keep you motivated - it’s much too hard to rely on your own self to keep motivated. So I recommend do some sort of volunteer work that you are drawn to as the best course of self improvement.

I need to add here — because I just remembered something about the more sinister forms of motivational stuff ---- I do NOT mean volunteering for a self improvement organisation to promote their ideas — I know some organisations push this (for instance Tony Robbins stuff or Landark) and it is an absolutely disgraceful use of people… I mean more like visiting the elderly, or working at a soup kitchen, or tutoring refugees in english 👍
 
Read up on avoiding the near occasions of sin.

To fill in your time, learn new skills.

Learning new skills is a partial way to create your own circumstances.

I always admired people who can swim and who can juggle.

No real physical dangers involved.

Learn math. Take all the math courses that you can.

Learn to do public speaking. Toastmasters is excellent.

Finally, take flying lessons. Wonderful way to develop self-confidence.

You will encounter situations that just come along or that are beyond your control.

But if you equip yourself with some basic “tools”, then you can avoid some bad situations that come along [and choose good situations] … and deal with others.
 
You are speaking of two different theological concepts.

Proverbs 6 has one of the best lines- “a little sleep, a little slumber, a little folding of the hands to rest, and poverty will come upon you as a thief”. Jesus speaks very positively of those with financial and business acumen. That’s much different than thinking you are a co-creator in the sense of your question.

That said, there is an ENORMOUS amount of New Age spiritually in current business and motivation materials. The Secret, and the Law of Attraction, Think and Grow Rich, etc, and whenever someone speaks of “a great force in the universe which can provide massive abundance, you just need to ask” sort of motivation. Well, anything like that is not Christian.

Pax.
 
Whoa, pardners. Let’s slow down here.

In ordinary English, as opposed to theological English, “creator” with a small C just means somebody doing and making things in an ordinary way. Company creator, game creator, story creator, content creator, model creator, blah blah blah. In that sense, a lot of people can be small-c creators. Since the tape is having you say “a” creator, not “the Creator,” you are using it in this sense. So it may or may not be a stupid motivational program, but it’s not encouraging sinful presumption or blasphemy.

In theological terms, to “create” is to make something appear from absolutely nothing (ex nihilo). Humans cannot fully do that, and therefore we are not Creators with a capital C. We are “co-workers with” God, as Paul says, however. That’s “co-” in the Greek or Roman sense, where it means somebody is being a lesser participant, like Bob the newbie intern. But “co-creator” would be kind of a confusing term for humans, so it isn’t something we say.

The accepted term, invented by J.R.R. Tolkien of all people, is actually “sub-creator.” (You can read about it in his famous essay, “On Fairy-Stories.”) We can create mental creations almost from nothing, in the realms of art and imagination. We have similar powers with engineering and all the other professions that are about making things. We don’t start from nothing; we use available tools and materials, and we use our observations and knowledge of the world around us. We also use and share ideas from all the other humans who have ever lived. But this making is not something animals or plants can do. It is one of the powers God gave Eve and Adam before the Fall, but that we did not entirely lose after the Fall.

(And actually, the word “poet” comes from the Greek word for “maker.” The old English and Scottish word for a poet was also “makar” or “maker.”)

Something like that is also true of the circumstances of our own lives. We aren’t individually responsible for the existence of gravity (God did that one) or for what kind of government is in the country of our birth (other humans did that one, either encouraged by God or just allowed by Him to muck things up for everybody else).

We aren’t responsible for the genetics or parental care of our own bodies, but each of us is individually responsible for the consequences of how each of us treats our own bodies. And if I refuse to brush my teeth or drink calcium or stop eating tons of sugar candy all day every day, and all my teeth fall out of my head, I have definitely created that circumstance. If it turns out that I wasn’t taking care of myself because I was depressed or crazy, my responsibility would be lessened, but I would still be a participant. (I could have asked for help, for example.)

So sometimes we do create our own circumstances, and sometimes we don’t. It’s hard to tell how much responsibility we have. God knows because He has perfect knowledge. We don’t.

I agree that some of these programs put too much pressure on an individual person. But if you take it the right way (“Yes, I should brush my teeth even if I’m depressed! Let me get up and brush my teeth right now, before I fall back into bad habits!” or “I know I have problems, but I will figure out little ways to make life better for myself and do them every day!”), that sort of thing can be helpful.

You do have plenty of power and control over your own life, even if it’s by doing little things in corners or learning to think in a sane and reasoned way. That is part of your Christian vocation as an anointed little priest, prophet, and king, a co-heir with Jesus and part of His Body. It is also part of God’s command to Adam and Eve to care for the world and tame it; so it is part of the basics of being a human being even for non-Christians.

You can’t do everything, but you are supposed to do what can be done. And there’s a lot that you can do, just as one person. Being creative and being determined are how you obey God’s will.

If this particular program makes you uncomfortable, you don’t have to listen to it, of course. Like I say, motivational stuff can be very helpful or very stupid and useless. But you certainly haven’t sinned.
YES. THIS.

In my words: I think you’re combining two different concepts of “creation”. God Created us from nothing. THAT is Creation. We’re just working with the Creations He made to “create” (read: reshape or reuse) things for ourselves. We do NOT make things out of nothing, therefore we are not CREATORS but, as Mintaka said, sub-creators.
 
What do you mean by saying that you create your own circumstances? Any circumstances that you work on improving only happen because God permits them.

Some of these self help books etc can potentially go into the same reasoning as the “law of attraction”, which is different than we believe. We can’t influence the natural world (or supernatural) through some power of our minds. Miracles and such happen because of God’s power, they do not originate in our power, even if we do some action to cooperate.

Creation is making something out of nothing. We can’t do that.
 
So long as you don’t lose sight that everything is ultimately in God’s hands, there’s nothing wrong with assuming a share of the responsibility for the way things are in your life. God gives us free will so that we might respond to his grace and circumstances in our lives, and our choices can have consequences. As with anything, there is a healthy balance. Exercise free will responsibly, acknowledge that it can have an impact on your life and that you do make your own bed, and that you can exercise it better. But your existence and free will are not yours alone, but gifts from God.

Be wary of unChristian spiritual messaging, but what you described in your first post is not incompatible with your faith. Just don’t consider yourself a big ‘C’ Creator.
 
Hello I have a question.

I have been listening to a lot of self-help/motivational mp3s and one of the tracks say that we create our own circumstances.

That being said, is it a sin to say/believe that I create my own circumstances in life?

Are we co-creators with God?
We make choices that ultimately lead to our circumstances in life. It goes back to the adage “you have made your bed, you must lie in it” Making choices is the result of our free will which God created us with. God created us with free will. Since our choices are the results of the free will God created in us, we certainly are not co-creators with God.
 
Let’s say I borrow a library book. I keep it beyond the due date. In fact, I keep it far beyond the due date. I now owe a significant fine, I’m getting nasty letters from the library, and in some communities I may be charged with a civil infraction. Through my action, I have now “created” a situation where I owe money and am potentially in legal trouble. I don’t understand how this usage of “create” in any way impinges on God’s role as Creator, or how saying “I’ve created this situation” could in any way be considered “sinful.”
 
When you speak of yourself as a “creator” or “co-creator” you open yourself up to a lot of criticism, whether deserved or not. However, the fundamental basis of a moral life is to make choices – the result of the exercise of free will – and every choice has consequences. No free will, no sin, no virtue. I have no objection to those who focus on God’s will and activity in our lives, but that cannot diminish or take away the exercise of our free will, which we can submit to God’s will as we understand it or not. Without free will, there is no love, no virtue, not morality.
 
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