Is it detraction to reveal things I experienced?

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Hello everyone,

Do you think it is detraction to tell my fiance my experiences if they involve the revelation of the flaws of others?

For example, I was abused when I was growing up, is it permissible to tell my fiance my experiences? This would of course involve revealing the sinful things that others did.

What if I witnessed bad things that people did to each other, is it permissible to reveal them in the context of the effect they had on me?

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…why would you deliberately keep something back from the person who is suppose to support you and love you for the rest of your life? This isn’t the kind of stuff you want to spring on people after you’re married… especially if it is still on your mind and affects how you behave and think.

Or at least, this isn’t the kind of stuff I’d like to find out after I was married. It probably wouldn’t be a problem in the long haul for me either, but, then, that’s me… I’m not your fiance.
 
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…why would you deliberately keep something back from the person who is suppose to support you and love you for the rest of your life? This isn’t the kind of stuff you want to spring on people after you’re married… especially if it is still on your mind and affects how you behave and think.

Or at least, this isn’t the kind of stuff I’d like to find out after I was married. It probably wouldn’t be a problem in the long haul for me either, but, then, that’s me… I’m not your fiance.
I did tell him everything that happened to me. The problem is that now I’m worried it was a sin to do so. I asked one priest on the internet for advice, and he seemed to say that what I did was detraction because I destroyed the reputation of the people involved by revealing their sins. (oldforum.catholic.org/discussion/messages/41/844528.html?1110108088)

What do you think?
 
Well, I think the priest is right as far as he goes: if you revealed to deliberately harm someone and/or their reputation and nothing else, then it was sinful.

However, if you did it because your fiance needed to know something about you, then I think it’s one of those unfortunate things that has to happen. But only your heart can witness to why you devulged what and how much of what you did. If in your revelation, you “went the extra mile” on details to detract or harm someone, then that would be sinful… but if it’s to be honest with your fiance so that you can be on the same page about where you’re coming from, then I think it’s not sinful. You’re the best thing to a judge though. Only person that knows better is God.
 
I don’t have any answers, but I’ve been wondering some of the same things, and I thought I might tell you how I’m dealing with it so far. I, too, have experienced abuse in my past, and I feel like it still affects me to such a degree that people cannot truly know me without knowing about that. However, I don’t want to destroy people’s reputations, either. In my case, I’m wondering if I should even tell friends. Right now, I’m in college, so I still go home during breaks. When people ask me how it was, should I be honest, or should I just say it was okay? Right now, I’m trying to find a balance. If it comes up in conversation, I really watch my motivations for telling people about what’s happened. Am I telling them because I want them to understand me, or am I telling them because I want someone else’s reputation to be damaged? I also try to make sure that if I talk about it, I make sure people I talk to know that the people who have hurt me are themselves hurting. I hope someone has a good response.
 
TO have been an abused child is a horrible situation. it is one that thrives on secrecy and protecting the very ones who hurt you. This “consideration” for thier reputation at the expense of being victimized was a result of the abuse. If as an adult, you are NOT telling for reasons that were falsely embraced as a child, I would hardly think this is virtuous. Yet, if as an adult you chose not to tell because you have achieved resolution of these interior wounds, than that I think that would ring more in line with what the catechism says.

I think it was absolutely appropriate for you to tell your fiance. He deserves to “know” you. Especially because the long term effects might bring up some difficulties in trust, intimacy and parenting. He needs to know so that you two can work through these things as they come TOGETHER in Christ. I think it is sick the “stigma” placed on survivors of abuse. If someone steals from you, everyone is rightfully indignant on your behalf. But if your childhood or innocence was robbed from you … it’s hush hush (we don’t speak of these things), strange looks and an attitude that there must be something wrong with you. Which is reinforcing exactly what was taught to you by your abusers …That it is your fault.

God created us to need compassion and support from brothers and sisters, and on an even higher level our spouses. Let an “acceptable crime” happen and everyone rallies around the victim, consoling and trying to help as they well should, because sometimes we need God with “skin on”. But let it be an adult survivor of abuse, especially sexual abuse, no one is to be found. They are all busy looking the otherway and in their discomfort implying that you should never have said anything. That you should just live with the shame… alone.

Be careful who you tell. Choose carefully, and seek out the gems that God has placed on this earth that are willing in spite of their discomfort to share your pain, to be with you in the good times and the bad.

It was good you told your fiance, it is better to find out now whether he is one of these rare gems. If he is, you are blessed.
 
You have an absolute obligation to inform a fiance of abuse that occurred to you at the hands of your family members. When you marry–you don’t do so in a vacuum–your spouse’s family becomes your family. While we have no power to choose our family of origin, we certainly can and should discern with whom we want to spend the entirety of our adulthood, who will be influencing and interacting with our children, etc.

Your fiance has the right to decide whether he/she wants to undertake the challenges that come with being a part of a dysfunctional family. That is NOT the type of information you bury or spring upon someone after the honeymoon.

For the person who asked about discussing abuse and its perpetrators with college friends after breaks–I think there is a readily apparent distinction between shooting the breeze with casual aquaintances and disclosing essential personal information to a future spouse.
 
Island Oak, you said exactly want I intended to say when I began my post, but somewhere along the line it turned into a rant. Must of hit a nerve.:o
 
p.s. Just in case there’s any doubt about the issues and challenges that can arise when abuse is part of a spouse’s background, take a look at the thread entitled Marriage Roles and Abuse Survivors.
 
I fully agree with Island Oak. These are things that your fiance needs to know. If any of those who abused you are still alive, he needs to know so that he can be sure you, and your eventual children, are not left alone with them. His role is to be the protector of his family, and he can’t do that if he is unaware of some of the previous threats. I’m not saying that the abusers will necessarily do it again, but there is no reason to give them the chance to do it again. I have some friends who suffered neglect from their parents growing up. Now that they are adults, they never leave their children alone with their parents–they are simply not taking the chance that something happened that they could have prevented.
 
Hermoine:

The advice given to you in the old thread is one of the reasons Island Oak asked me if the people I was turning to for advise (in the mentioned ** Marriage roles and abuse survivors** thread) were qualified to address abuse survivor issues. The ramifications of such abuse is a topic which (unfortunalety) is very poorly understood by the clergy and has almost no Catholic oriented resources to turn to dealing specifically with the topic. (As a case in point, the best manual availabe for partners of abuse survivors is written by a lesbian who holds to several ideas about relationships and inherent obligations that are totally opposed to the Catholic ideals).

As the husband of someone subjected to various kinds of abuse, I strongly ditto the sentiment that you had an absolute obligation to let your fiance know exactly what sort of family situation he was marrying into and what baggage you are carrying into the marriage. He needs to know first to decide if he’s got the internal fortitude to deal with how that is going to color your perception of how “family” should work. Then he needs to prepare himself for what he’s likely to face after you marry. Finally, he needs to know who to protect both you and the children from as well as the expected nature of attack, because the abusers will attack again.
My wife’s parents, especially her mom, still lie and attempt to manipulate my wife, even though she hasn’t spoken to them in 3 years, by trying to bias my take on her recollection of childhood events when I give them an update every few months on how we are doing. Admittedly, I’m also fishing them for information, but I only mention what I’ve heard (and then leaving out specifics) to my wife when I hear something from another source that verifies the event was real to help calm my wife’s concerns she’s imagining things. Of course, her parents are never at fault in her mom’s version of events, but it does back up that the event happened.

As an employee within the state penal system who previously supervized some sex offenders that were part of a technical work detail on a unit with a high sex offender population, abusers are the least reformable of any type of criminal. Uneducated crack addicts have a better chance of not returning to prison than pedophiles, and the other types of abusers don’t do much better on recidivism… Quite frankly, anoyone likely to be in a position where they might notice likely victims of the abuser’s preference needs to know what the dangers are, to the point that even your fiancee’s parents and siblings need to know that (for instance) your children should not be left alone with your family. The obligation to protect the innocent from likely harm far outweighs any concern for the reputation of a proven abuser of any sort.

Also, try to seek out Catholic couples where at least one member has a history of childhood abuse to use as your guides on how to make things work. Not trying to be negative, but you will have more trouble than most couples, and it is important to build the support network before the trouble hits. Also make a commitment yourself to heed the advise (when trouble starts brewing) of other childhood abuse victims who have gone on to help lead faithful Catholic homes.

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What was your motivation? To share with your fiancee? Then no problem. The “harm” to your abusers is part of their consequences for their actions, said consequences taking effect not because you intend them harm, but because you wish to strengthen your relationship with your fiancee. Here, the ends DO justify the means. If your means are morally neutral in and of themselves (informing your fiancee), then the ends determine their licitness. (Ends are to degrade your abusers? Then your means are morally compromised. Ends are to unite you and your future spouse? Then the means are morally sound.)

The ACT of speaking is not itself a sin, just as it would not have been in a court of law, hence its moral neutrality.
 
I would second Ray Scheel’s comments, and suggest also that if you have not had counseling for this, it is way long past due. many who have been abused just want to put it in the box, lock the lid and walk away. The human psyche doesn’t work that way, however. The abuse that was done to you has impacted your perception of not only yourself, but of others, and it normally impactws the way you relate to others, particularly those of the same sex as the abusers.

and if you get counseling, at some point it would be appropriate to bring your finacee into the counseling also, as he needs to know and understand what happened - not in terms of graphic details, but in terms of impact on you, and how it will impact the two of you.

God Bless and good luck. You carry a heavy burden; I hope your fiancee can make it lighter.
 
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