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ANV
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Considering that your child might end up in Hell, whether the suffering here on Earth or after death, isn’t this like gambling on someone’s soul.Personally, I would never ever have children of my own.
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joeybaggz
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For lunch or dinner? 
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:tsktsk:Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
As to your question. Don’t think we could ever approach an answer on level terms, given my chosen religious preference and yours. But there is so much beauty in existence, in nature, in people, in children especially, why not have a child, expose it to the beauty of the world, and let it make its own decision.
For a person living a monotheistic religion, there is a dimension of life beyond this in which the human soul which appreciates love, beauty, truth, and life will exist. I guess for the atheist, there is nothing beyond the grave, but there is so much this side of it, if one seeks it out. Why not let the child make that decision as he or she grows?
Shalom
::tsktsk:Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
As to your question. Don’t think we could ever approach an answer on level terms, given my chosen religious preference and yours. But there is so much beauty in existence, in nature, in people, in children especially, why not have a child, expose it to the beauty of the world, and let it make its own decision.
For a person living a monotheistic religion, there is a dimension of life beyond this in which the human soul which appreciates love, beauty, truth, and life will exist. I guess for the atheist, there is nothing beyond the grave, but there is so much this side of it, if one seeks it out. Why not let the child make that decision as he or she grows?
Shalom
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USMC_Convert
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Imagine if God said that, you would never have been alive to think the way you do.
This is similar to the people who hate Marines (or military in general) but use the freedom of speech to attack us.
“I’d just rather you say thank you and be on your way.”
-A Few Good Men
This is similar to the people who hate Marines (or military in general) but use the freedom of speech to attack us.
“I’d just rather you say thank you and be on your way.”
-A Few Good Men
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pianistclare
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Yes.
We can’t operate on what if’s…
God makes these decisions.
I guess that’s hard for an atheist to understand.
But people of faith trust. Foremost. Trust.
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ClearWater
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Yes, it’s moral to have children even though they could go to hell.
We need children. Children and grandchildren are our next generations. Without them, where would we be? They will take care of their elderly grandparents and parents.
Some countries which aren’t having enough children are having problems.
If you don’t believe in God or hell, why wouldn’t you be open to having children of your own?
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jcrichton
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Hi!
…there was a heresy that taught that having children was evil…
Now, here’s what Yahweh God Teaches:
(Ezekiel 18:20-23)
…you are basically making yourself into a god; you are passing judgment on a child that has not even been conceived; you are living in fear; your gauge is fraudulent–should you stop breathing because the air that you inhale may contain some form of contaminant?
Maran atha!
Angel
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jcrichton
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Hi!
…yet, those same people would not commit to putting themselves or their children in harms way to maintain the freedom they enjoy, which includes the right to express their idiotic opinions on anything.
It would be wonderful to coexist in peace… however evil men see peace as weakness and will murder and destroy wantonly if there were no resistance to their power mongering… thank God for God fearing service men and women who continue to stand against the tide of death and destruction!
Semper Fi!
Maran atha!
Angel
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Vonsalza
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I could make a blunder at work, so I’ll refrain from employment.
I might get my heart broken, so I’ll refrain from dating.
The car might crash, So I’ll walk everywhere.
I might stub my toe, so I’ll stay home.
A fire might occur, so I’ll refrain from buying a home in the first place.
See the error here? Your hidden premise of “the only acceptable risk is ‘none’” is unsound.
Since meteors are real, everything you do assumes a risk in some way.
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punisherthunder
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ANV…I understand perfectly what you mean.
My parents were Protestant, but chose to be Catholic. I was baptized in the Catholic Church, my younger brother has never been baptized at all. While I attended some parochial school, my brother did not. By myself, I attended RCIA, Confirmation, had my first Confession and Communion without the aid of my parents while my brother questioned it. He also insulted my parents, in-laws, and other parishioners at my Confirmation when he cutely said he “did not believe in God”, right in the middle of the heart of the Sanctuary .
Now, about 10 years later, I’m barely successful with my job, education, new home, some decent possessions, attend Church and Adoration. My brother has a labor job, no education, lives in my old childhood bedroom at my parents house, is on drugs, and still has no religion. I often wonder about his Salvation and if my parents wish he had not been conceived.
My parents were Protestant, but chose to be Catholic. I was baptized in the Catholic Church, my younger brother has never been baptized at all. While I attended some parochial school, my brother did not. By myself, I attended RCIA, Confirmation, had my first Confession and Communion without the aid of my parents while my brother questioned it. He also insulted my parents, in-laws, and other parishioners at my Confirmation when he cutely said he “did not believe in God”, right in the middle of the heart of the Sanctuary
.Now, about 10 years later, I’m barely successful with my job, education, new home, some decent possessions, attend Church and Adoration. My brother has a labor job, no education, lives in my old childhood bedroom at my parents house, is on drugs, and still has no religion. I often wonder about his Salvation and if my parents wish he had not been conceived.
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ffg
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With only pixels, sometimes it’s tough to tell if someone is serious or just trying to get a rise.
I’m guessing the OP can deduce from their existence a few reasons why having kids is a good.
Even in the event that life has been rough on them in more ways and at more times than not.
Their existence makes this website a better place, so that’s a good right there.
I’m guessing the OP can deduce from their existence a few reasons why having kids is a good.
Even in the event that life has been rough on them in more ways and at more times than not.
Their existence makes this website a better place, so that’s a good right there.
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Captain_America
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Children are a natural human good; one’s horizons of human sensitivity broaden greatly if one has children. And of course, children are a blessing from God. More children=more good.
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Brassring
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I guess you could always find a child (niece, nephew, etc.) and ask them if they would have preferred not being born. For that matter, you could ask yourself whether your own existence is immoral. Not what you’ve done with your life, just the fact that your life exists. If you’re not prepared to declare your own existence immoral, then you can’t make that decision for someone else’s life.
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ArielRussu
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I beg to differ. Life isn’t what I’d call a gift, more of a curse. Especially since, like the OP is saying, living till adulthood means your always at risk of going to Hell if you slip up or don’t do something right according too the church. If a person goes down the wrong path and dies, they go to Hell and then what? When the Catholic parents die and go too heaven and learn of their kids fate, I would imagine they’d be filled with regret seeing how if they’d never had that child (now adult) that grown child wouldn’t be sitting in Hell for all eternity but instead be nonexistent not knowing any pain or suffering. What’s honestly the better option at that point? Having never existed or ending up in Hell? As for myself, I’ve experienced plenty of pain in my life that I could 100% have gone without (and I would have gladly chosen to have forgone, even if it meant an early, untimely death).
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jcrichton
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Hi!
…it is interesting how people who are alive claim such things… I liken them to those moralists who want to kill off humanity because of the pain and suffering of poverty (euphemism for not the “right” ethnicity or “proper” bloodline) and because of the pain and suffering of sickness and old age… all the while drumming for animal rights (not that there’s not a need for protecting animals) and for anthropomorphizing household pets and elevating them above humans… it is not that we (humanity) should not feel and love nature… rather we should love humanity and through that love love and feel for the world.
When humans claim that to have not existed is more valuable than their present existence they fail to understand that non-existence has no value at all.
Why fear hell?
If we can reason enough to fear hell, why can’t our reasoning be sound enough to do that which “keeps” us from hell–here’s a little secret: everything that we are commanded to do to keep us from hell is beneficial to us and to the planet!
…conversely, most of the things that do commit us to hell are things that are destructive to ourselves and the whole planet.
It is quite simple: Love is fundamental!
Yahweh God puts it this way: ‘Choose Life so that you may Live!’ (paraphrased)
Maran atha!
Angel
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