Is it permitted to administer Anointing of the Sick to a person against their will?

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The priest has the duty, sworn to God, to take care of God’s people. She’s still Catholic! How could the priest NOT have given her the last rites???
If the priest is aware that it’s against her wishes then he has no choice - just like someone can’t be baptised against their will they also can’t be anointed if they’ve said they don’t want to be.

While the sacraments aren’t “magic” to be effective they require the person receiving them to (knowingly) accept them. Obviously we all want to do all that we can for our loved ones but free will is a gift from God - for better or worse - and it’s wrong to go against a person’s wishes no matter how painful that might be.
 
If the priest is aware that it’s against her wishes then he has no choice - just like someone can’t be baptised against their will they also can’t be anointed if they’ve said they don’t want to be.

While the sacraments aren’t “magic” to be effective they require the person receiving them to (knowingly) accept them. Obviously we all want to do all that we can for our loved ones but free will is a gift from God - for better or worse - and it’s wrong to go against a person’s wishes no matter how painful that might be.
If the priest knew this dying woman had turned against the Church and God and had previously stated she desired no further sacraments, why did he go to the house at the father’s request? Do you think he didn’t know about her current, not previously stated, but her current desire? Do you think he was incompetent and didn’t know his priestly duties? Do you think he “forced” the grace of God on her? What do you think was the reason an ordained minister of God went to the house? :confused:
 
If the priest knew this dying woman had turned against the Church and God and had previously stated she desired no further sacraments, why did he go to the house at the father’s request? Do you think he didn’t know about her current, not previously stated, but her current desire? Do you think he was incompetent and didn’t know his priestly duties? Do you think he “forced” the grace of God on her? What do you think was the reason an ordained minister of God went to the house? :confused:
Find the priest and ask him. In fact, I would stand in line to ask him a few questions also.
 
Find the priest and ask him. In fact, I would stand in line to ask him a few questions also.
I prefer to give the clergy the benefit of the doubt. I truly don’t know why the priest did what he did but I trust in God’s ordained to have reason and grace to do what God wants/needs them to do. God Bless you.
 
I prefer to give the clergy the benefit of the doubt. I truly don’t know why the priest did what he did but I trust in God’s ordained to have reason and grace to do what God wants/needs them to do. God Bless you.
I agree with this. This entire thing smells a bit fishy. With due respect to the OP, I’m wondering if the whole story is being told here.

BTW…I should disclose that I am a priest.
 
I agree with this. This entire thing smells a bit fishy. With due respect to the OP, I’m wondering if the whole story is being told here.

BTW…I should disclose that I am a priest.
Thank you for revealing that, Father. May God bless you for all you do for His people. :gopray:
 
If the priest knew this dying woman had turned against the Church and God and had previously stated she desired no further sacraments, why did he go to the house at the father’s request? Do you think he didn’t know about her current, not previously stated, but her current desire? Do you think he was incompetent and didn’t know his priestly duties? Do you think he “forced” the grace of God on her? What do you think was the reason an ordained minister of God went to the house? :confused:
I also prefer to give the clergy the benefit of the doubt and so I’m assuming that no one told him that she didn’t want to be anointed. If somebody phones a priest, says that their loved one is dying, and asks the priest to come and anoint them, the priest will generally presume that what’s being asked for isn’t going against the person’s wishes unless he’s told otherwise.
 
I also prefer to give the clergy the benefit of the doubt and so I’m assuming that no one told him that she didn’t want to be anointed. If somebody phones a priest, says that their loved one is dying, and asks the priest to come and anoint them, the priest will generally presume that what’s being asked for isn’t going against the person’s wishes unless he’s told otherwise.
Agree. I just wonder what the dynamics were once he got there and saw a very different situation.

I have seen clergy being very intrusive, against the patient’s wishes, so I hope this was not quite as the OP described. Disturbing if it was.

On the positive side? It is often difficult to find a priest who is able to come to a dying person’s bedside. Very good news that one responded!
 
Agree. I just wonder what the dynamics were once he got there and saw a very different situation.

I have seen clergy being very intrusive, against the patient’s wishes, so I hope this was not quite as the OP described. Disturbing if it was.

On the positive side? It is often difficult to find a priest who is able to come to a dying person’s bedside. Very good news that one responded!
I haven’t had the situation you’ve experienced. When my mother was dying in the hospital, the priest came on short notice, not once but twice, and spent at least half an hour each time. He was respectful and very pastoral. I hope you encounter more priests like ours. 👍
 
I haven’t had the situation you’ve experienced. When my mother was dying in the hospital, the priest came on short notice, not once but twice, and spent at least half an hour each time. He was respectful and very pastoral. I hope you encounter more priests like ours. 👍
I am so glad to hear this. What part of the country are you in? Perhaps in urban settings, it’s harder to find a priest. I do know that most hospitals and hospices have a list of priests who are ‘on call’ for such emergencies, but the reality of that is often different.

Pastoral care is so important. It’s the connection, isn’t it? The sense of being cared for. People who are alone or in need see the clergy as a stand in for God. What I mean to say is that if you are alone and feeling abandoned by family/friends/church, it usually gets translated into ‘God has abandoned me too.’

And the same can be said in reverse. ‘If the priest comes and spends time with me, cares for my soul needs, then God must care for me too.’

Much to consider here as we care for each other.
 
I agree with this. This entire thing smells a bit fishy. With due respect to the OP, I’m wondering if the whole story is being told here.

BTW…I should disclose that I am a priest.
It offends me that you would accuse me of withholding the facts. They are exactly as stated. I was not present so I did not embellish by adding anything I was not sure of. I am not trying to blame the Catholic Church; I only wanted to find out if what my father stated was really true: that it is policy, even recommended, to administer Anointing of the Sick to someone on their deathbed whether they want it or not. I am heartened to find out that this is not true, that it is not Church policy.
 
I am so glad to hear this. What part of the country are you in? Perhaps in urban settings, it’s harder to find a priest. I do know that most hospitals and hospices have a list of priests who are ‘on call’ for such emergencies, but the reality of that is often different.

Pastoral care is so important. It’s the connection, isn’t it? The sense of being cared for. People who are alone or in need see the clergy as a stand in for God. What I mean to say is that if you are alone and feeling abandoned by family/friends/church, it usually gets translated into ‘God has abandoned me too.’

And the same can be said in reverse. ‘If the priest comes and spends time with me, cares for my soul needs, then God must care for me too.’

Much to consider here as we care for each other.
I live and attend Mass in downtown Honolulu but have acquaintances at many parishes around the island of Oahu. Many people who’ve never been to Hawaii don’t realize each island is different and they have almost an individual sub-culture. On Oahu, we have about 70% of the population of the state living and working here so we’re considered pretty urban compared to all the other islands.

I agree with you WRT being pastoral. All the knowledge of the Bible, Christology, or church doctrine (no matter what church you belong to) pales when compared to how well we represent Christ to others. It may have happened but I’ve never read about an Apostle during the first century evangelizing others by saying “I’m [fill in the blank] and I’m from the Church of [fill in the place.]” I believe James may have been the closest to this as he was considered the head of the Jerusalem Church but, again, I don’t know of any writings claiming he represented only the church in Jerusalem when preaching the Gospel. Paul, on the other hand, went from place to place and simply brought the Word of God with him. In some cases, we read about his greetings including messages from other communities but I don’t think he represented himself as belonging to a specific “church”.

I believe, in the end, people are attracted to the Gospel and attach themselves to “churches” out of convenience (closest to home, friends attend that church, children like the children there, etc). There are societal factors that affect their filters and make their “adopted church” more or less attractive. If their perception is that the “church” is no longer attractive to them (people snub them at fellowship, pastors/ministers forget their names, their children are bullied during CCD/Sunday school, etc), they will begin the thought of leaving and finding a “new church”. This has nothing to do with the Gospel or Christ; this has everything to do with how we, the church, have treated our brothers and sisters. They came for God and left because of us!

So being pastoral is not the exclusive duty of the ordained. We have a duty as well. For Catholics, when we’re baptised, we become “priest, prophet, and kings” so that we may spread the Gospel, tell the truth of God, and serve His people. How well we do this determines the health of the “church” we worship in.

God Bless you. 👍
 
It offends me that you would accuse me of withholding the facts. They are exactly as stated. I was not present so I did not embellish by adding anything I was not sure of. I am not trying to blame the Catholic Church; I only wanted to find out if what my father stated was really true: that it is policy, even recommended, to administer Anointing of the Sick to someone on their deathbed whether they want it or not. I am heartened to find out that this is not true, that it is not Church policy.
No need to be offended. I’m just pointing out that often times what is posted on the internet isn’t the full story. What I mean is this. We’re only privy to the facts as you describe them here. And, I have no doubt that you are describing them truthfully. But, that doesn’t mean they are all of the facts of the story. If one eye-witness account were sufficient to solve a murder mystery, then detectives would be wasting their time interviewing numerous witnesses. But, we know that’s not how it works. Detectives are meticulous to hear from every eye witness when a crime has been committed. So, among other things, I’d like to hear both your father’s perspective and the priest’s.

What EXACTLY did your father say to the priest? What EXACTLY was the priest’s understanding of the situation? By your own admission, you were not present.

Again, I mean no disrespect, but as you’ve laid out the situation, it’s pretty clear that your father was mistaken in his understanding of not only Catholic practice on a situation such as this, but also Catholic teaching about sacramental theology. Could he also have mistakenly communicated something different to you than what he communicated to the priest?

For instance, could this conversation have transpired?

Dad, “Hello, yes, my daughter is dying from cancer and I’d like a priest to come anoint her.”
Priest, “Certainly! I’ll be right over!”

When the priest arrives, he sees a woman crying, who is otherwise in an non-communicative state. If the above conversation transpired, he would rightly be led to believe that she might be crying from fear of death, sorrow, or any number of other reasons. He would see it as his duty to offer her comfort, as he no doubt has done many times before.

Speaking personally, if I were called in that situation, I wouldn’t even think to ask your dad if the daughter actually wanted to receive the sacrament. I would assume she did by virtue of the fact that her relative is asking for it. Likewise, I’d assume that she is a baptized Catholic. Family members ask for the sacraments all the time on behalf of loved ones who can no longer speak due to an advanced illness.

So, again, sorry if you were offended. That certainly wasn’t my intent.
 
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