Is it wrong to say the altar server responses in the Latin Mass livestreamed?

[NJacoB]

Hi,

I am in the process of learning the responses. Is it wrong to say the altar server responses in the Latin Mass livestreamed? Of course, I cannot do it in the physical Mass if I’m not serving, but is there anything wrong in doing it if I’m not physically there? I think that would help me a lot to learn gestures and remember to do it more naturally and at the same time pray the Mass (since it’s not physical I cannot say attend Mass…)

Thanks!

 

[Mythicalbio]

It is perfectly fine. I was under the impression we were meant to say those anyway, might be wrong though

 

[NJacoB]

Thank you!!!
The thing is that as far as I know, the Latin Mass does not have active participation of the congregation. Meaning, that only the Altar Server and the Priest (deacon too) are actively speaking throughout the Mass. However, dont take my word for sure since I’m new in this world of Traditional Catholicism!

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

It is perfectly fine. I was under the impression we were meant to say those anyway, might be wrong though

Same here. I rarely go to an EF Mass, but I thought the responses in a low voice were for everyone (and the servers were just supposed to be saying them on our behalf for the priest to hear).

 

[Anne1964]

At most Latin Masses the server makes the responses on behalf of the people.

I have been to Latin Masses where everyone makes the responses. This is sometimes referred to as a dialogue Mass and some people like it while others hate it.

I have also been to Latin Masses where there was no server and Father wanted us all to make the responses for that reason.

At all Latin Masses the people do actively participate through their prayers.

It is fine for you to say the responses aloud during a live-streamed Mass.

 

[phil19034]

The thing is that as far as I know, the Latin Mass does not have active participation of the congregation.

FYI - The Latin Mass does have active participation.

Active Participation doesn’t mean speaking out loud, responses, etc.

Active Participation (HISTORICALLY in the Church) has always meant actively paying attention and praying during the mass, uniting your prayer intentions with the priest.

The hand missals became a way to help with active participation. Today, you will see most people at the a Latin Mass actively praying the mass with Father by using the hand missals.

The lay responses became a way to force participation before hand missals became universal. But lay responses don’t always mean people are always actively paying attention and praying the mass.

 

[HomeschoolDad]

NJacoB:

The thing is that as far as I know, the Latin Mass does not have active participation of the congregation.

FYI - The Latin Mass does have active participation.

Active Participation doesn’t mean speaking out loud, responses, etc.

Active Participation (HISTORICALLY in the Church) has always meant actively paying attention and praying during the mass, uniting your prayer intentions with the priest.

This is a HUGE reason why I much prefer the Traditional Latin Mass, all questions of language and “which liturgy is which” aside. Sometimes, at the TLM, I follow along in the missal, sometimes I don’t. The TLM makes wide allowance for different “spiritual mentalities” and there is no expectation of “this thing is what we are now doing, so everybody join in and do this thing, not that thing, right now”. That little old lady praying her rosary during the consecration may be “actively participating in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” with more intensity and holiness than anyone else ever has in the history of the world.

 

[phil19034]

That little old lady praying her rosary during the consecration may be “actively participating in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” with more intensity and holiness than anyone else ever has in the history of the world.

While I agree with you, I do have issues with people who are praying the Rosary during the TLM when missals are available.

Most people at TLM masses have their own hand missal, so many of the TLM masses have plenty of parish provided missals or little red books for people to follow along.

NOW, if one doesn’t have access to a missal, then praying the Rosary during mass is better than stilling there daydreaming. But if a person has access to a missal, they really should be praying the mass.

Just my two cents.

God Bless

 

[Cor_ad_Cor]

That little old lady praying her rosary during the consecration may be “actively participating in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” with more intensity and holiness than anyone else ever has in the history of the world.

I know we can’t judge interior disposition based on external action or appearance alone, but didn’t the Vatican II documents almost explicitly call out private devotions like the rosary (during Mass) as an example of what they believed active participation was not and as the kinds of things in need of correction?

 

[HomeschoolDad]

HomeschoolDad:

That little old lady praying her rosary during the consecration may be “actively participating in the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass” with more intensity and holiness than anyone else ever has in the history of the world.

While I agree with you, I do have issues with people who are praying the Rosary during the TLM when missals are available.

Most people at TLM masses have their own hand missal, so many of the TLM masses have plenty of parish provided missals or little red books for people to follow along.

NOW, if one doesn’t have access to a missal, then praying the Rosary during mass is better than stilling there daydreaming. But if a person has access to a missal, they really should be praying the mass.

I don’t share those issues. While it might be more perfect, and more ideal, to be following along, traditionally this was never expected. I have to wonder how many mothers who did this, were able to give holy sons and daughters to the Church in priestly and religious vocations. I don’t think it says one thing bad about the spirituality of a person who says the rosary, meditates quietly, alone with their thoughts, or what have you.

I know we can’t judge interior disposition based on external action or appearance alone, but didn’t the Vatican II documents almost explicitly call out private devotions like the rosary (during Mass) as an example of what they believed active participation was not and as the kinds of things in need of correction?

I don’t know. I don’t know which documents you’re referring to. Did they say it was sinful to do it? Did they issue a command? Or was it just more in the nature of a suggestion that “there might be a better way to participate than that”?

 

[phil19034]

While it might be more perfect, and more ideal, to be following along, traditionally this was never expected. I have to wonder how many mothers who did this, were able to give holy sons and daughters to the Church in priestly and religious vocations. I don’t think it says one thing bad about the spirituality of a person who says the rosary, meditates quietly, alone with their thoughts, or what have you.

Well, they never had a missal. My point is simply this… if you don’t have a missal, YES, pray the Rosary… 100%

But if you have a Missal, pray the mass.

I know (for example) St. Zelie Martin (St. Therese’s mom) used to attend two Masses every Sunday. The first Mass, she would pray the mass. During the 2nd Mass, she would pray the Rosary.

So I totally get what you are saying. But I still strongly feel that our first priority is to pray the Mass.

NOW: again, if one doesn’t have access to a missal or one is too busy taking care of kids to follow along in the missal, then the Rosary is the perfect substitute.

God Bless

 

[ProVobis]

Congratulations for learning the Latin responses. The Prayers at the Foot of the Altar are rather lengthy but beautiful and the Suscipiat can be a tongue twister.

 

[Mrchatsworth]

I would think in following a televised Mass you can say anything you want at all. Since you aren’t at the Mass.