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Nimzovik
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Aye. *All *societies decay…
Is legalized abortion and contraception thinning the number of people with liberal values?
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sw85
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They’re speaking in broad brushes, obviously. Leftists do in fact have lower fertility (pretty substantially lower compared to religious traditionalist families in similar socioeconomic situations), are in fact more likely to use contraception or to have an abortion, etc. Plenty of data on this. Nothing controversial about it.
It also means precisely squat, since, as I’ve said multiple times, leftists didn’t get to where they are in terms of social power by outbreeding religious traditionalists but by brainwashing their (the religious traditionalists’) children. Also, by subverting their religions.
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JamesATyler
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How do you know that? Can you provide your source for the breeding rates?
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sw85
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There’s sooooo much data out there on this that I don’t even feel particularly compelled to go hunting for it. But let’s take a broad-brush example.
Check out this list of fertility rates by state: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_fertility_rate
Of the top ten high-fertility US states, exactly one is reliably liberal (Hawaii). The other nine are pretty reliably conservative.
Of the bottom ten, with the exception of West Virginia, all are either reliably liberal or reliably liberal-leaning.
The mean difference between these brackets is almost half a child per couple. And note that this is even with the watered-down pseudo-religiosity which these mean figures represent. When you compare hardcore religious traditionalists, i.e., regular attendants at TLMs, to liberals, the difference is almost twice as great.
Or see this article from Slate: www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2012/11/20/fertility_rates_and_the_election_what_happens_if_liberals_start_having_more.html
Also consider looking up for the normal predictors of liberalism (such as college education and annual income) also predict low fertility.
Also see this interesting article: policyarchive.org/handle/10207/bitstreams/10029.pdf in which the authors argue that the reason for fertility differentials is that American society has in place a variety of social sanctions to impose against those who violate the two-kids rule. Liberals, being status-conscious conformists, of course wouldn’t dream of violating that rule. Nor would cafeteria Catholics and reform Jews who are, after all, liberals before anything else. Highly traditional Catholics and orthodox Jews are much less likely to care about American social sanction, though, instead relying on the social cues furnished by their subgroup, hence they have no problem violating the norm.
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Nimzovik
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Indeed… It is difficult to argue against your assertions here…
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JamesATyler
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I’m not sure how the situation of legalized abortion came about is relavent to my argument. It was actually a court ruling and it would likely have given the same ruling even if the number of people wanting legalized abortion were a small minority. They base their conclusions on legal matters instead of popular opinion. That’s actually how legalized abortion came into being. Not through breeding or even brainwashing.
But what difference does it make how it came to be. I’m not talking about where it came from but only where it leads people who practice it. My main assertion is that a person who eliminates their offspring also eliminates the people who are most likely to learn and practice their values.
I’m not saying its a child’s destiny to be just like their parents in regard to abortion but I’m not convinced that it makes no difference at all.
After reading the many responses, I also doubt that “liberals” as a group will be eliminated. There are lot’s of issues to be liberal about aside from abortion. But I’m convinced that eliminating 55 million heirs, in this country alone, will have real consequences.
But what difference does it make how it came to be. I’m not talking about where it came from but only where it leads people who practice it. My main assertion is that a person who eliminates their offspring also eliminates the people who are most likely to learn and practice their values.
I’m not saying its a child’s destiny to be just like their parents in regard to abortion but I’m not convinced that it makes no difference at all.
After reading the many responses, I also doubt that “liberals” as a group will be eliminated. There are lot’s of issues to be liberal about aside from abortion. But I’m convinced that eliminating 55 million heirs, in this country alone, will have real consequences.
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Nimzovik
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Consequences? Indeed yes. Certainly this large scale of blood sacrifice will not go unoticed by God and dealt with accordingly – to Liberals as well.
As for the idea of the numbers Liberals being affected mathematically by killing their own children I would indeed suspect so… to some degree or other, as it certainly seems rational. It is hard to imagine a zero impact in this regard.
Although it must be noted they certainly will not breed themselves out of existence as Evil (as represented by the Liberal advocacy of abortion) will, always be part of mankind until the Day of the Lord.
As for the idea of the numbers Liberals being affected mathematically by killing their own children I would indeed suspect so… to some degree or other, as it certainly seems rational. It is hard to imagine a zero impact in this regard.
Although it must be noted they certainly will not breed themselves out of existence as Evil (as represented by the Liberal advocacy of abortion) will, always be part of mankind until the Day of the Lord.
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BobCatholic
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I didn’t. I equated leftism with selfishness, because their doctrines are only about promoting and imposing their selfishness on others.
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BobCatholic
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That’s my experience. You did not go through what I went through. And you cannot judge what I went through.
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Flimmy
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I presume it’s thinning people of all kinds.
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atheistgirl
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I’m not even trying to judge your personal experience. It’s irrelevant.
I’m objecting to you taring a whole group of people with the same brush and presuming to know the thoughts and feelings of everyone in that group.
Much like me saying:
Christians ‘‘If left to themselves, ] will contracept, abort, homosexualize and euthanize themselves out of existence.’’ because I happen to know Christians who contracept, have no objections to abortion, and have aborted, support homosexual marriage and have no objections to euthanasia to prevent unavoidable suffering where there is no hope of recovery.
Would that be a fair brush stroke to apply to Christians?
Well, it’s my experience, and you can’t judge my experience of Christians!
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BobCatholic
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It is 100% relevant. This is what I went through when dealing with leftists, time after time, without exception, they wanted to impose on me, either their beliefs, or their costs, or any other bad things. Always. No exceptions.
Even you don’t want me to have my own opinion.
I never presumed to know the thoughts and feelings of anyone. If I had that ability, I’d be making mad money at the poker tables
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