Is Mary God According to Fatima Third Secret?

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Hi,

I am wondering if anyone here can tell me about the Church’s official stand about the claim that the Third Secret of Fatima is a Marian Dogma stating Mary is God?

This is being widely propagated in the internet and since the website(maryisgod.org) claims it is from the Philippines i am concerned. I am from the Philippines my self but from the Northern island of Luzon.

We are concerned since we have observed this movement for quite a while now but the Catholic Church in Cebu doesn’t seem to have an official statement despite the movements blatant attacks against Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican.

isa
 
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isagani:
Hi,

I am wondering if anyone here can tell me about the Church’s official stand about the claim that the Third Secret of Fatima is a Marian Dogma stating Mary is God?

This is being widely propagated in the internet and since the website(maryisgod.org) claims it is from the Philippines i am concerned. I am from the Philippines my self but from the Northern island of Luzon.

We are concerned since we have observed this movement for quite a while now but the Catholic Church in Cebu doesn’t seem to have an official statement despite the movements blatant attacks against Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican.

isa
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Any apparition, vision, message which states or implies Mary is God or divine somehow is totally false. We have a Holy Trinity (3 persons not 4).
The Church specifically teaches that Mary is not divine.
 
They also support Novus Ordo Watch… And are against the Pope, believing that he is the Anti-Christ.

This is definitely false, no doubt.

This is so sad, knowing that it came from the country of my ancestors… :crying:
 
Hmmm, any website that refers to the current Pope as “anti-Christ” isn’t one we should trust.

And any website that calls Mary, a human, “God” (except in the sense of CCC para 460) isn’t one we should trust either.

If she were God (which of course she isn’t) it would really muck up the whole 2 natures of Christ doctrine.

And while some of us aren’t into the charismatic movement(s) in the church, to call it “satanic” and as having “satanic prayer meetings” isn’t the most accurate view.

Personally I think this person, who tells of priests blindly obeying the devil and working against the Trinity, is doing that himself. He needs prayer.
 
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isagani:
Hi,

I am wondering if anyone here can tell me about the Church’s official stand about the claim that the Third Secret of Fatima is a Marian Dogma stating Mary is God?

This is being widely propagated in the internet and since the website(maryisgod.org) claims it is from the Philippines i am concerned. I am from the Philippines my self but from the Northern island of Luzon.

We are concerned since we have observed this movement for quite a while now but the Catholic Church in Cebu doesn’t seem to have an official statement despite the movements blatant attacks against Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican.

isa
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Don’t believe this nonsense. The Blessed Mother is not God!
 
I don’t know about the Fillipino churches but only the anti-Catholics I have talked to on their boards have pulled this foolishness up and offered it as indictments of the church.

I would think that the faithful would e-mail the link to His Holiness and let him handle it. He, like many of us, many think that the faithful are too smart to be led astray by this kind of teaching that is clearly opposed to church teaching and therefor clearly wrong.

Here’s His Holiness’ e-mail address: benedictxvi@vatican.va

The whole thing is plainly trash and I doubt anyone but our detractors will waste much time with it. (Where IS Milliardo when something like this comes up!?)
Pax vobiscum.
 
It’s probably the work of anti-Catholics. I recall an occasion on another anti-Catholic site (“Former Catholics for Christ”) where someone posted a crudely drawn (with crayons) picture of Mary that supposedly “proved” that Catholics believed Mary was God. It may have been drawn by the anti-Catholic’s kid, and so “proved” nothing but the willingness of anti-Catholics to grasp at straws.

Mary is not God, and any such teaching that suggests so is blasphemous and not Catholic. I wouldn’t worry about it too much; there are always going to be kooks around, and if people believe that garbage then they’re already inclined to anti-Catholicism to begin with.
 
They also support Novus Ordo Watch

Well, I personally know the operators of Novus Ordo Watch, and I can assure you that whatever else you may think of them,
THEY DO NOT believe that Mary is God !!!

Anyone can link to a website.

God bless,
Jaypeeto3
 
As the owner and editor of Novus Ordo Watch, I ask you to take down the link to the Novus Ordo Watch web site that you have on your home page. Your site is blasphemous and evil, and though I do not know for sure, I suspect that the purpose of your site and “movement” is to put Catholics who claim the true Third Secret has not yet been disclosed into a bad light. No right-thinking man could possibly believe what you believe. You cannot but be pertinacious. Remove the link to my site therefore.

I contacted the owners of Novus Ordo Watch today after seeing it mentioned that the “mary is God” website had linked to them.
The above, just FYI, is their email to the “mary is God” website.

Love,
Jaypeeto4 (aka Jaypeeto3)
 
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isagani:
Hi,

I am wondering if anyone here can tell me about the Church’s official stand about the claim that the Third Secret of Fatima is a Marian Dogma stating Mary is God?
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In the words of a good unfriend of the Church: HAW HAW HAW !!!​

This is being widely propagated in the internet and since the website(maryisgod.org) claims it is from the Philippines i am concerned. I am from the Philippines my self but from the Northern island of Luzon.

We are concerned since we have observed this movement for quite a while now but the Catholic Church in Cebu doesn’t seem to have an official statement despite the movements blatant attacks against Pope Benedict XVI and the Vatican.

isa
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Maybe it’s too mad to be worth commenting on:​

“The declaration of Mary is God Dogma will no doubt demand of us faithful servants of The Most Holy Trinity, a burden seemingly too much to bear for any man. But with each mission that God demands of us, comes also The Mighty and All Powerful Grace of The Most Holy Spirit.”

If Mary is God, the Persons of the Blessed Trinity are going to have to shove over to make room for her to squeeze in.

I wonder where people get these ideas… :whacky: :ehh: 😦 ##
 
It sure is frustrating to see stuff like this. It’s bad enough that as Catholics we are constantly defending the faith from staunch anti-Catholics that do not hide their hatred of the Church that Jesus founded, the fundamentalists, KJV only’s, JW’s and others and then we have to put up with these so call “Catholics” who come up with this sort of nonsense. This just feeds more fuel to the anti-Catholics who take this c— as gospel truth about the evil teachings of Catholicism. They show it to some poor uncatechised Catholic and they fall for this junk. They show them what is written in Gods word the KJV or NWT and why the Catholic Church is wrong to call Mary “God”. They then go home and burn all their statues, throw away their rosaries, tear up their Duay-Rheims and claimed they are now “saved” from the clutches of Rome.
 
This is very frightening. You guys all know people in these fringe Catholic movements, and I guess I do know some charismatics, but I know agnostics and neo-pagans, and this stuff is right up their alley. This is all occult mysticism stuff. The thing is, even the up-there theologians of the last century (the last 2 popes, Balthazar, DeLubac), they were all aware of this stuff too, and steeped in it. You might not believe me, but when JPII was an actor in Poland he was performing R. Steiner plays, and this guy was a pre-eminent occult theologian, for lack of a better word. Luciferologist more like it. And Balthazar wrote the preface to a little occult book known as Meditations on the Tarot. This is straight gnostic Sophia mysticism, and it’s really scarey. You shouldn’t just dismiss this. This is very close to what St. Kolbe was writing right before he was taken by the Nazis. There are movements in Poland and Russia that say the same thing. Now it’s in the Philipines.

There is a lot of activity with the Freemasons for the last 5 years or so. They are recruiting really heavily. I have a few friends who have been approached, and some have accepted. Here’s the thing about it: all the new members are openly into the occult. Do you know how angry this makes all the old guys who treated it like a fraternity? They’ve been denying for the last 30 years that Freemasons worship the devil, and now their ranks are full of young punks and all they want to do is worship the devil! Well, they don’t call it that. They call it studying the craft, which is good old fashioned luciferian gnosticism. And this is Sophia, who Simon Magus called Helen of Troy.
 
Fortunately this is just another anti-Catholic attack. There is nothing that I know of that proclaims Mary as God. The Third Secret isn’t even widely known yet here in the Philippines, so I don’t know where is this coming from.
 
shoot me now. It’s hard enough to get the right stuff out there, and this kind of thing comes up…

:tsktsk:

Someone should be spanked and put in time out.
 
Some time back, while JP2 was still living, I heard that the third secret was the revolation that a future Pope would be the victim of an attempted assassination. Does anyone else remember hearing this?
 
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Milliardo:
Fortunately this is just another anti-Catholic attack. There is nothing that I know of that proclaims Mary as God. The Third Secret isn’t even widely known yet here in the Philippines, so I don’t know where is this coming from.
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vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20000626_message-fatima_en.html

Oh, and just another thing, you don’t have to believe in ANY of the apparitions as they are not binding on the faithful. However, some have been proclaimed ‘worthy of belief’.
 
Hi,

Thanks for the response - it was very enlightening but you see i have asked a certain Priest about them(please don’t ask me who coz he’s actually a family friend) but i was shocked to hear his response.

His initial response did not show in anyway that he was against it and he even hinted that they are infact considering that indeed the Fatima Message may be more than just what many expected.

I am concerned because i have been able to follow up the progress of this group, being a Filipino myself, many have reported the matter to His Eminence Cardinal Vidal but months had passed and nothing has been done to guide us.

They react more to politics than to such things that concern our faith. I think they should act because it seems to me that this movement has some sort of support from the Laity, at least in an indirect way. My other concern is that this could be their way of perhaps supporting this strange marian movement?

thanks
 
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isagani:
Hi,

Thanks for the response - it was very enlightening but you see i have asked a certain Priest about them(please don’t ask me who coz he’s actually a family friend) but i was shocked to hear his response.

His initial response did not show in anyway that he was against it and he even hinted that they are infact considering that indeed the Fatima Message may be more than just what many expected.

I am concerned because i have been able to follow up the progress of this group, being a Filipino myself, many have reported the matter to His Eminence Cardinal Vidal but months had passed and nothing has been done to guide us.

They react more to politics than to such things that concern our faith. I think they should act because it seems to me that this movement has some sort of support from the Laity, at least in an indirect way. My other concern is that this could be their way of perhaps supporting this strange marian movement?

thanks
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Hello fellow Filipino. The third Fatima secret was already revealed before the death of JP2. Lucia told us that it concerned the attempted assassination on a man clothed in white (a Pope) surrounded by the blood of catholic (nuns and priests) martyrs on a mountain. It was concluded that that Pope in the vision is Pope JP2 and this was that assassination on May 13, 1981. It can be remembered that the 3 children of fatima saw their first vision of Our Lady on a May 13 too. What a coincidence isn’t it? That is the 3rd secret of Fatima.

Regarding that belief of that group of fellow filipinos that believe Mary is God, let’s just pray for them that they may see the truth and have obedience to the Church. I hope they won’t follow that scandal of a fake apparition of our Lady in Agoo, La Union then
 
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isagani:
His initial response did not show in anyway that he was against it and he even hinted that they are infact considering that indeed the Fatima Message may be more than just what many expected.
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If this is in regards to the Third Secret itself, and not what it explicitly contains, then there’s no surprise really. With regards to Mary being God though, it runs counter to Catholic teaching, and no Catholic will even consider accepting that.
 
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