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Our pastor wants us to attend an institute for RCIA put on by this group. Catholic Culture says they are suspect - some book authors on NAF are in Call to Action. May of them are no longer on NAF’s list, but there are still a few. So - is this a program we want to go to, or not?? Appreciate any help.
 
I am not familiar with them. I am familiar with ACM, which is 100% orthodox.

acmrcia.org/index2.html

My diocese usees the ACM materials and training. I have their program including the catechist and the director books and participant resources. They are great.

Have you contacted your diocese for direction?
 
Our diocese is the one putting it on. But that doesn’t mean it’s ok. We’ve experience of that.
 
Our pastor wants us to attend an institute for RCIA put on by this group. Catholic Culture says they are suspect - some book authors on NAF are in Call to Action. May of them are no longer on NAF’s list, but there are still a few. So - is this a program we want to go to, or not?? Appreciate any help.
I have attended 4 NAFC workshops, and hosted one in our parish for the diocese. The diocese has invited them back to do a workshop for DREs, RCIA directors (often the same person) and pastors this summer. The reason is they are still the only game in town. the “competition” Association for Catechumenal Ministry does have a diocesan-wide training program but as yet we cannot afford it, and it is a one-size fits all program right now. I hope in the future they will be able to offer the more tailored “curriculum” in more locations that NAFC has. ACM is the gold standard but until they are accessible and bi-lingual and more flexible as now many parishes and diocese cannot benefit.

If you have a chance to bring ACM to your diocese push it, push it. If NAFC is the option now take it, but with a huge grain of salt, all your instincts operational, and your common sense activated.

The presenters and authors for NAFC are all over the map in terms of orthodoxy but they are the people who “invented” the way RCIA was implemented from the 70s on in most US and Canadian parishes. They filled a vacuum, which is what happens when the more orthodox, traditional, whatever element in the Church abdicates leadership responsibility. They also filled a need, and continue to fill it. More power to them.

their strength is their insistence, quite correct and orthodox, that the church prays as the church believes and liturgy itself, including naturally the RCIA rites, teach. The closer the presenters stick to the actual liturgy the better they do. The problem comes, as it always does when people play games with liturgy, when they violate their own norms and engage in loosey goosey liturgy (homemade bread with questionable ingredients, odd choice of music, you know, the usual American worship-lite liturgies we have become inured to).

Have realistic expectations when you go into the seminar, which should be one of the Beginnings workshops. the good side: for someone unfamiliar with RCIA, or whose knowledge comes from trying to wade through the ritual book, the institute provides the much needed liturgical framework for how RCIA is supposed to happen.
the beginnings inst. walks the participants through the whole process as it should unfold in the parish over the liturgical year, in the experiential pedagogy that is inherent in the NAFC view (which prevails in catechesis overall these days). That is great as far as it goes. It is nearly impossible to understand RCIA until you have been through it for a full liturgical year.

Be aware however of the danger that accompanies the “experience is king” school of catechetics, which is of course that it gives primacy of importance to not only the candidate/catechumen’s (c/c for short?) experience, but that of the catechist and sponsor as well. that means, as 30 years of catechetics on that model have proven, that doctrine takes a back seat. That is something the RCIA team in the parish can easily overcome if they have their heads on straight in the parish.

the other challenge you will encounter is the POV expressed by some (not all) the presenters, and sadly many of the participants who should know better in classroom and outside discussions. If you are regular CAFer you should have ammunition to meet those attacks but it will certainly be an eye opener. Again a properly formed parish RCIA team can just bypass all the drivel if they implement a proper doctrinal formation.

the third challenge is the bias toward lectionary based catechesis which actually is legitimate and inherent in the rites. Just avoid the easy way out of assuming the only catechesis c/c’s need is that contained in the Sunday readings. That should be the starting point, but they still need systematic doctrinal formation, and there are many good guides on the market to help the catechist achieve this. Don’t expect much guidance on this however from NAFC.

Yes do go to the workshop esp. if the pastor will pay for it. I got thrust into RCIA, and had to learn quickly, on my own dime, but I consider the investment well worth it (you get ContEd credit for it if you need it). Somebody who does not already have a solid faith formation may be led astray, but no CAFer should have that problem. Just keep your eyes and ears open, learn what is good, be wary of but not swayed by what is kinky, and appreciate these very dedicated people for the gifts they do have. And pray your diocese brings in ACM soon.
 
Thank you so much for your help!! So it’s as I suspected. We have a friend in another parish who uses the ACM materials and told us they were the best. We (my husband and myself) were part of the RCIA team this year, but we definitely need a better program. Will discuss with our pastor and see if we can get the ACM materials. We would prefer to not spend the $$ on the NAFC institute and put the $ to better use. Parish doesn’t have a lot of $ so NAFC will be on our dime.
Keep us in prayer and I’ll let you know how it goes.
 
Our RCIA director LOVES the NAF, and all I can say is we have a horrible RCIA program in my parish. For all practical purposes it is a social group that meets once a week for some warm fuzzy talks and service work throughout the year (“social justice”).
Very little Catholicism is taught - very little. Based on the fact they tout the NAF, I would steer clear of it.
 
Thank you so much for your help!! So it’s as I suspected. We have a friend in another parish who uses the ACM materials and told us they were the best. We (my husband and myself) were part of the RCIA team this year, but we definitely need a better program. Will discuss with our pastor and see if we can get the ACM materials. We would prefer to not spend the $$ on the NAFC institute and put the $ to better use. Parish doesn’t have a lot of $ so NAFC will be on our dime.
Keep us in prayer and I’ll let you know how it goes.
What I like about the ACM (Association for Catechumenal Ministry) resources:
  • The RCIA Participant’s Book is a large collection of handouts on doctrinal topics, special topics, saints, etc. The RCIA leaders choose what is most appropriate for the needs of their group at any particular time. Copies can be made forever, without seeking permission from ACM, for any purpose in the parish, not just RCIA. Besides the initial cost, the only cost for future groups in RCIA will be the cost of making copies.
  • The RCIA Catechist’s Manualoffers structured lessons on a good selection of doctrinal topics. Each topic has two pages, one to help the catechist prepare, by providing relevant scripture passages, Catechism sections, key terms, and suggested songs; the other page offering a structure or agenda for the session. It allows flexibility, and however, and, depending on the needs of the group, I used what I need, and have been able to combine two or three agendas for one session.
  • The RCIA Leader’s Manual is a good overview and practical guide for the RCIA process, including the rites.
The expense of these three resources is worth far more than a weekend workshop.
 
Really appreciate all the comments. They are very helpful. The more info we have to give to our pastor the better.
 
the ACM materials are the gold standard, but OP is asking about the workshops given to catechists and RCIA team members. I have not been to the ACM workshops because they are typically offered to dioceses who ask for them, not in the way NAFC does where an individual can attend any of several seminars around the country. I suspect their workshop is also far superior and treats the hidden lack in NAFC programs, systematic catechesis. But if you have been asked to be an RCIA catechists and simply don’t know much about the process itself, NAFC Beginnings Institute will be very helpful, but whether or not that extends to paying for it out of your pocket only you can answer.
 
I have attended 4 NAFC workshops, and hosted one in our parish for the diocese. The diocese has invited them back to do a workshop for DREs, RCIA directors (often the same person) and pastors this summer. The reason is they are still the only game in town. the “competition” Association for Catechumenal Ministry does have a diocesan-wide training program but as yet we cannot afford it, and it is a one-size fits all program right now. I hope in the future they will be able to offer the more tailored “curriculum” in more locations that NAFC has. ACM is the gold standard but until they are accessible and bi-lingual and more flexible as now many parishes and diocese cannot benefit.

If you have a chance to bring ACM to your diocese push it, push it. If NAFC is the option now take it, but with a huge grain of salt, all your instincts operational, and your common sense activated.

The presenters and authors for NAFC are all over the map in terms of orthodoxy but they are the people who “invented” the way RCIA was implemented from the 70s on in most US and Canadian parishes. They filled a vacuum, which is what happens when the more orthodox, traditional, whatever element in the Church abdicates leadership responsibility. They also filled a need, and continue to fill it. More power to them.

their strength is their insistence, quite correct and orthodox, that the church prays as the church believes and liturgy itself, including naturally the RCIA rites, teach. The closer the presenters stick to the actual liturgy the better they do. The problem comes, as it always does when people play games with liturgy, when they violate their own norms and engage in loosey goosey liturgy (homemade bread with questionable ingredients, odd choice of music, you know, the usual American worship-lite liturgies we have become inured to).

Have realistic expectations when you go into the seminar, which should be one of the Beginnings workshops. the good side: for someone unfamiliar with RCIA, or whose knowledge comes from trying to wade through the ritual book, the institute provides the much needed liturgical framework for how RCIA is supposed to happen.
the beginnings inst. walks the participants through the whole process as it should unfold in the parish over the liturgical year, in the experiential pedagogy that is inherent in the NAFC view (which prevails in catechesis overall these days). That is great as far as it goes. It is nearly impossible to understand RCIA until you have been through it for a full liturgical year.

Be aware however of the danger that accompanies the “experience is king” school of catechetics, which is of course that it gives primacy of importance to not only the candidate/catechumen’s (c/c for short?) experience, but that of the catechist and sponsor as well. that means, as 30 years of catechetics on that model have proven, that doctrine takes a back seat. That is something the RCIA team in the parish can easily overcome if they have their heads on straight in the parish.

the other challenge you will encounter is the POV expressed by some (not all) the presenters, and sadly many of the participants who should know better in classroom and outside discussions. If you are regular CAFer you should have ammunition to meet those attacks but it will certainly be an eye opener. Again a properly formed parish RCIA team can just bypass all the drivel if they implement a proper doctrinal formation.

the third challenge is the bias toward lectionary based catechesis which actually is legitimate and inherent in the rites. Just avoid the easy way out of assuming the only catechesis c/c’s need is that contained in the Sunday readings. That should be the starting point, but they still need systematic doctrinal formation, and there are many good guides on the market to help the catechist achieve this. Don’t expect much guidance on this however from NAFC.

Yes do go to the workshop esp. if the pastor will pay for it. I got thrust into RCIA, and had to learn quickly, on my own dime, but I consider the investment well worth it (you get ContEd credit for it if you need it). Somebody who does not already have a solid faith formation may be led astray, but no CAFer should have that problem. Just keep your eyes and ears open, learn what is good, be wary of but not swayed by what is kinky, and appreciate these very dedicated people for the gifts they do have. And pray your diocese brings in ACM soon.
Good post. I agree, ACM is much much better and cheaper in the long run. They have very good online articles that help direct the RCIA process legitimately, focusing on all aspects proper to it (not shortchanging doctrine…).

Also agree that liturgical catechesis is only the beginning. Interestingly, ACM points out some interesting comments about the MIS-USE of this style of catechesis in their Catechist’s book which makes a lot of sense and why I have not gone to it. Simply put, you’ll not be able to cover the full gamut of Catholicism, nor will the focus be correct, by going to Liturgical Catechesis. There is an heirarchy of doctrine, and the Trinity is number one. Very little opportunities to discuss this key idea and paradigm of our faith through Liturgical Catechesis alone…

ACM was well-worth the money for me, I bought the Leader Manual and the Catechist’s Manual. I didn’t get the Participant’s manual, pretty pricey and i can do my own handouts, but if the Church is buying, hey, great!!

Regards
 
ACM came into being, and I am glad to have been a small part of it through Steubenville Summer Catechetical conferences, where some of those involved in its formation were running the RCIA track, in response to this glaring gap in RCIA catechesis. Note the word, the catechesis, RCIA the process involves more than systematic catechesis, but is incomplete and not implemented with the mind of the Church without it. RCIA begins, as NAFC has always to their credit insisted with the rites including especially the sacramental rites, and that element they have always stressed simply cannot be overlooked. But experience of 30 years has shown, and even NAFC now admits, the disservice that has been done by lack of guidance and resources for catechists and stress on systematic doctrinal formation based on the CCC. Bear in mind there have always been some Forum writers and presenters who have protested against reliance on Breaking Open the Word as the only catechetical formation of catechumens.

If you do go to a Forum institute, try to resist the temptation to buy books (I no longer take a checkbook to any conference) unless you find something that gives you practical guidance in structuring your program, forming a team etc. Rely on ACM for your guidance in catechesis, but they sorely need to provide more help in how to productively use their excellent resources. Someone who has never taught a doctrine class for catechumens or is unfamiliar with RCIA rites and the ritual book, and how it fits into the liturgical year, is going to miss out on a lot.

I am grateful to have the benefit of both approaches.

If you are in charge of implementing RCIA in your parish, make sure your pastor is fully involved, do not allow him to renege on his responsibilities, and make ACM your source for catechetical resources. For one thing it is the most cost effective (that should appeal to him). But it is also the most complete. Because it is easy to tailor to any structure–school year, year round, even to a lectionary based model to insure key doctrines are presented–someone who has no experience in structuring a program may flounder w/o guidance.

But if the only workshop on RCIA available is NAFC, and you are totally new to the whole concept, by all means to it if you can afford the conference and travel. First place to check is your own diocese, to see if they have their own training (ours does not, yet). Call the office of liturgy or the office of catechetics. If you have the ear of anyone in the diocese, push for them to invite ACM to do a diocesan wide workshop.

One further caveat: be as wary as a hawk of any of the published annuals used for Breaking Open the Word. That is essential for RCIA but in the hands of poorly formed teachers, using deficient resources it can be dangerous and I hate to through the word heretical around, but one of those books was the source for the popular “Jesus taught us to share” interpretation of the miracle feeding the 5000. Buy a sample (find one from prior years kicking around your parish or diocese) and read it literally cover to cover.
 
Thanks again for all your (name removed by moderator)ut. We are meeting with our pastor this afternoon to discuss plans for the program, and materials to use. Please keep us in prayer!

God bless you all.
 
We met with our pastor and we are ordering the ACM materials for the upcoming RCIA program! Thanks for all your help and prayers.

God is Good!
 
We met with our pastor and we are ordering the ACM materials for the upcoming RCIA program! Thanks for all your help and prayers.

God is Good!
I don’t think you will regret this decision.

I use a few other resources to supplement the ACM materials, but they are top grade in my opinion. I have used them outside of RCIA too. Feel free to PM me.
 
lucky RCIA team, good pastor.

another option I forgot to mention for someone who has been put in charge of RCIA in your parish, and you may getfinancial help or not from your parish, but I have never regretted the time or money I spent, is the St. John Bosco Summer Conference at Franciscan Universtiy of Steubenville, which has an RCIA track which like catechist, DRE, YM, is spread over 5 years for a total of 100 hours. That was one of the incubators for ACM, and if you are seeking to educate yourself I can’t praise it too highly.
 
If you read the Mission Statement of the NAFC you will find that it describes among it’s theological foundations the following:

The Mission of Forum is ground in a theology based on the experience of:
  1. God’s gracious intiative
  2. the paschal mystery of death and resurrection in Jesus Christ
  3. the prophetic power of word and sacrament
  4. ]the shared life and wisdom of the people of God graced and sinful"
Shared life within the Catholic tradition includes one’s immediate Catholic parish, the diocese to which it belongs, the national conference of bishops to which all Catholic parishes in any given nation belong and finally the universal church.

But the shared life and wisdom also come down to us through tradition. Therefore, the NAFC is very much a part of Catholic tradition since #1-3 are the principal beliefs and practices through which our tradition is passed down…
  1. listening to the voices of the poor and oppressed …a very Catholic task
  2. Conversion to the freedom of disciples
How can one be converted if she/he is not aware of sin? Clearly one of the tasks of the NAFC and its trainings includes moral theology.
  1. working for peace and justice in the world (a 120 year tradition of papal encyclicals call our attention to this) Moreover, if one looks at the history of RC this has always been an activity of the church.
And for the record…since the RCIA was introduced in 1988 according to a source from the NAFC, approximately 2.7 million people have entered the Catholic church. Grace apparently is at work and for this we should be grateful
 
If you read And for the record…since the RCIA was introduced in 1988 according to a source from the NAFC, approximately 2.7 million people have entered the Catholic church. Grace apparently is at work and for this we should be grateful
the RCIA was actually implemented before 1988 and was not a creation of the NAFC, although in this country it is how most of those involved in this ministry, including priests, have been educated on the process. The issue most people have with NAFC, and it is with some, not all, of their presenters and writers, is what are perceived as defects in the formal catechesis of catechumens, in the orthodoxy of teaching and other resource materials recommended, and in liberties taken with the rites themselves and the liturgies in which the occur. Those liturgical aberrations are part and parcel of the general liturgical laxity that sadly has been a feature of the last 30-40 years in some places, so can’t all be blamed on NAFC. When the NAFC does what they claim to do, stick close to the actual rites and their rubrics, they are sterling. When they deviate or self-interpret, that is when trouble happens, as with all liturgy.

The catechisis in their resources and authors, or many of them, shares the general bias of the age in which they were written, 70s-90s, that has infected so much of catechetics (teaching the faith) in general. That is the “personal experience” bias that lifts the subjective experience of the catechist and the candidate to equal footing with sacred scripture and the Church’s magesterial teaching. That is the fatal flaw inherent in most textbooks and supporting resources, especially books designed to facilitate “Breaking Open the Word” or catechesis based on the Sunday readings. It is that bias that ACM materials and approach combat so well.
 
The greater question I have of those who express concern for orthodoxy is that they may well to to the other extreme and deny a person’s subjective experience. While I agree with you that “some” people in the NAFC can go to extremes the other is also likely to happen.

Pre-Vatican II history has shown that simply memorizing answers to catechism questions doesn’t necessarily lead to good, adult Catholicism. It’s our own form of Catholic fundamentalism.

Those who want to blame Vatican II for those who have left the Catholic Church don’t understand history nor do they understand the history of Catechesis. “Going back” is out of the question… We’re like the Hebrew people of old in the desert and striving for ways to be led to the Promised Land.

A good catechist takes time to develop. It’s not simply a matter of teaching people to recite answers. A good catechist helps people explore their lives using the teachings and traditions of the church prayerfully and prudently.

Much damage can be done by well-intentioned people who go to either extremes.
 
The greater question I have of those who express concern for orthodoxy is that they may well to to the other extreme and deny a person’s subjective experience. While I agree with you that “some” people in the NAFC can go to extremes the other is also likely to happen.

Pre-Vatican II history has shown that simply memorizing answers to catechism questions doesn’t necessarily lead to good, adult Catholicism. It’s our own form of Catholic fundamentalism.

Those who want to blame Vatican II for those who have left the Catholic Church don’t understand history nor do they understand the history of Catechesis. “Going back” is out of the question… We’re like the Hebrew people of old in the desert and striving for ways to be led to the Promised Land.

A good catechist takes time to develop. It’s not simply a matter of teaching people to recite answers. A good catechist helps people explore their lives using the teachings and traditions of the church prayerfully and prudently.

Much damage can be done by well-intentioned people who go to either extremes.
I have said it at least 20 times on this forum, the best catechetical resources are nearly useless in the hands of a poorly prepared catechist who lacks a deep lived faith and a love for God’s truth, and the lamest textbook can come alive and be the springboard for Spirit-led learning and growth in the hands of a good catechist. the wise DRE, RCIA director or pastor spend at least as much attention to catechist selection and formation as to the selection of texts and resources.
 
Once again I appreciate all the (name removed by moderator)ut. Our ACM materials arrived today and we will spend the next few months going over everything and preparing. We are also considering the St. John Bosco Summer Conference.
Just as an FYI: We began our involvement in RCIA last year, but we have been involved in Church and parish ministry; child and adult catechesis for many years. We’ve had much training over those years, and are certified catechists. It is absolutely correct that no program can succeed unless the catechists are totally in love with the Eucharist, have a deep prayer life, and are truly living their faith.
An addendum - we contacted the head of NAFC directly. He sent us an article out of one of their newsletters that rips ACM. The last comment in the article was the statement that they (NAFC) were “mystified” as to why ACM would mention sacrifice as part of the life of the catechist.(!) Jesus says we are to follow Him, and carry our own cross. The efficacy of suffering is a whole other topic, but for NAFC to be “mystified” by the mention of suffering was enough for us to decided we did not want their program.

Many blessing on all of you.
 
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