Is Pentecost the origin of apostolic succession?

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I’m just guessing this because the apostles’ reception of the Spirit sounds like the same Spirit a priest receives at ordination. I’ve heard it said that Peter was the only one ordained by Christ (being given the authority to bind and loose) or that they were not ordained until Christ gave them the Great Comission. But if it was the former, I think we’d have to conclude that Peter ordained the rest of the apostles, which I’ve never heard of. If it was the latter, how are we to understand Pentecost?

Or is the origin found somewhere else entirely?
 
I’m just guessing this because the apostles’ reception of the Spirit sounds like the same Spirit a priest receives at ordination. I’ve heard it said that Peter was the only one ordained by Christ (being given the authority to bind and loose) or that they were not ordained until Christ gave them the Great Comission. But if it was the former, I think we’d have to conclude that Peter ordained the rest of the apostles, which I’ve never heard of. If it was the latter, how are we to understand Pentecost?

Or is the origin found somewhere else entirely?
Here is the origin of the succession of many lines:
John 20:22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
John 20:23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Peter ordained and called into existence the common priest, and the deacon. Neither of these were commanded by Jesus; but the bishops were ordained by Jesus from the last supper. It is at that supper, that Jesus washed his priests on pain of excommunication, and then beginning the supper said “do this in memory of me”.

Pentecost is the fulfillment of the spirit being poured out on all flesh as we are told explicity in Acts 2:17-21

Moses said to Joshua, long before, “I would that they all prophecy”.
Numbe 11:27 And when they prophesied in the camp, there ran a young man, and told Moses, saying: Eldad and Medad prophesy in the camp.
Numbe 11:28 Forthwith Josue the son of Nun, the minister of Moses, and chosen out of many, said: My lord Moses forbid them.
Numbe 11:29 But he said: Why hast thou emulation for me? O that all the people might prophesy, and that the Lord would give them his spirit!

God fulfilled Moses’ request, and the prophecy of Joel, on the day of Pentecost.
What Jesus did quietly, is the conception of the Church, and what was done on Pentecost is the birthday. They had been with him, Jesus, the “way” for some time before Pentecost – and as long as Jesus was with them, they had the fruits of his baptism; but on the Day of Pentecost he sent his Spirit to take his place at their side so that their baptism into him would no longer require his presence bodily. Exactly what that means, I am not certain – but he then went to heaven to prepare a place for all to live with him at the end of their world.

Apostolic succession was instituted the moment Jesus used the phrase “Rock” and applied it to Simon; for the Patriarch “Abraham” is the rock, historically, and his wife “Sarai” the quarry from which all twelve tribes came; and the tribal succession of each family line was God’s promise. Just so, When Jesus appointed Peter in the place of Abraham to act as a father figure to the other 11 Apostles, a “pillar” of strength, so did he likewise invoke the promise of old and apply it freshly to a new family of his choosing.

Jesus told the old family what was coming when he said – “have you not heard that the stone which the builders rejected has become the cornerstone?” and:

Luke 20:15 * So casting him [the son] out of the vineyard, they killed him***. What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do to them? **
Luke 20:16 He will come and will destroy these husbandmen and will give the vineyard to others. Which they hearing, said to him: God forbid.
…
Luke 20:19 And the chief priests and the scribes sought to lay hands on him the same hour: but they feared the people, for they knew that he spoke this parable to them.

So that the succession of twelve children from Abraham has been taken away and given to another; the twelve apostles. The authoritative “chair” of Moses was removed from these older priests and scribes, and given over to the twelve – for they are now the Judges who can hold a man’s sin against him – or acquit him of it.
That is how we know apostolic succession was instituted; for it existed before and by Jesus was given to another in the very way he copied the old succession of twelve into the new.

Again, we have no record of the Deacon being called into existence by Jesus; nor even the non-bishop priest; but the authority to bind and loose is Peter’s, and no one challenges him but all agree to the utility of the Deacon; and so it is with the priest whom we hear nothing at all – but just see them appear without argument.

Peter has the right to parcel out the ministry entrusted to him as he sees fit; in PART or in whole, as the church sees expedient.
 
That is a wealth of knowledge you just dropped, Theo. It reminds me that I’m still just getting my toes wet in scripture. Thank you very much.
 
I would dovetail on what Huiou Theou said and include other OT types, such as the succession of the OT priesthood descended through physical lineage in the tribe of Levi, (e.g. 1 Chron. 9:26, Heb 7:5) which typifies the NT priesthood which is passed down through spiritual lineage as seen in the laying of hands to appoint office-holders. There’s also the Aaronic lineage (e.g. Ex 29:9) Both these examples speak of an “office” which has an occupant. Paul speaks of himself as holding an “office” too (e.g. Rom 11:13) and refers to other “offices” of Holy Orders (e.g. 1 Tim 3:1, 1 Tim 3:13).
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Apostolic Succession means the line of authority possessed by those bishops who were consecrated initially by the Apostles and thereafter passed down through the generations to this day by validly consecrated bishops. Apostolic Succession started on Ascencion Thursday after Jesus ascended into heaven and the elelven apostles returned to the upper room. There Peter called for someone to fill the office vacated by Judas. The event is recorded in the first chapter of the Book of Acts. In Acts 1:20 Peter says: “20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, ‘Let his habitation become desolate, and let there be no one to live in it’; and ‘His office let another take.’” [Acts 1:20] RSV. Peter first paraphrases verse 25 of Psalm 69: “Let their habitation be desolate, and let none dwell in their tents.” and joins it with verse 8 of Psalm 109: “Let his days be few, and let another take his office.”

When he quoted Psalm 69:25, “'Let his habitation [house] become desolate…” Peter was referring to Judas’ apostleship, his apostolic line of succession. No one would follow in the Apostolic line of succession from Judas because Judas was no Apostle and therefore, there was no Apostolic line of succession. That means Mattias cannot be Judas’ Apostolic successor. Peter then goes on to quote Psalm 109:8, “Let his days be few, and let another take his office.” The word in Greek that is translated as ‘office’ is the word *episkope *. It is the very same word that is translated as ‘bishop’ in other parts of scripture. So Mattias does not succeed Judas. Matthias is ordained by the eleven Apostles and takes the office [episcopcy] that Judas forfeited. He is enrolled with the Apostles as a bishop as all Apostles were the original holders of the office of bishops. Remember Apostle is not an office in the church. The only offices are bishop, priest and deacon. So Matthias is ordained a bishop and his line of succession comes from Peter or the eleven and not from Judas. Thus Apostolic Succession is established scripturally.
 
Here is the origin of the succession of many lines:
John 20:22 When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost.
John 20:23 Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them: and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained.

Peter ordained and called into existence the common priest, and the deacon. Neither of these were commanded by Jesus; but the bishops were ordained by Jesus from the last supper. It is at that supper, that Jesus washed his priests on pain of excommunication, and then beginning the supper said “do this in memory of me”.

Pentecost is the fulfillment of the spirit being poured out on all flesh as we are told explicity in Acts 2:17-21

Moses said to Joshua, long before, “I would that they all prophecy”.
Numbe 11:27 And when they prophesied in the camp, there ran a young man, and told Moses, saying: Eldad and Medad prophesy in the camp.
Numbe 11:28 Forthwith Josue the son of Nun, the minister of Moses, and chosen out of many, said: My lord Moses forbid them.
Numbe 11:29 But he said: Why hast thou emulation for me? O that all the people might prophesy, and that the Lord would give them his spirit!

God fulfilled Moses’ request, and the prophecy of Joel, on the day of Pentecost.
What Jesus did quietly, is the conception of the Church, and what was done on Pentecost is the birthday. They had been with him, Jesus, the “way” for some time before Pentecost – and as long as Jesus was with them, they had the fruits of his baptism; but on the Day of Pentecost he sent his Spirit to take his place at their side so that their baptism into him would no longer require his presence bodily. Exactly what that means, I am not certain – but he then went to heaven to prepare a place for all to live with him at the end of their world.

Apostolic succession was instituted the moment Jesus used the phrase “Rock” and applied it to Simon; for the Patriarch “Abraham” is the rock, historically, and his wife “Sarai” the quarry from which all twelve tribes came; and the tribal succession of each family line was God’s promise. Just so, When Jesus appointed Peter in the place of Abraham to act as a father figure to the other 11 Apostles, a “pillar” of strength, so did he likewise invoke the promise of old and apply it freshly to a new family of his choosing.

Jesus told the old family what was coming when he said – “have you not heard that the stone which the builders rejected has become the cornerstone?” and:

Luke 20:15 So casting him [the son] out of the vineyard, they killed him**. What therefore will the lord of the vineyard do to them? **
Luke 20:16 He will come and will destroy these husbandmen and will give the vineyard to others. Which they hearing, said to him: God forbid.
…
Luke 20:19 And the chief priests and the scribes sought to lay hands on him the same hour: but they feared the people, for they knew that he spoke this parable to them.

So that the succession of twelve children from Abraham has been taken away and given to another; the twelve apostles. The authoritative “chair” of Moses was removed from these older priests and scribes, and given over to the twelve – for they are now the Judges who can hold a man’s sin against him – or acquit him of it.
That is how we know apostolic succession was instituted; for it existed before and by Jesus was given to another in the very way he copied the old succession of twelve into the new.

Again, we have no record of the Deacon being called into existence by Jesus; nor even the non-bishop priest; but the authority to bind and loose is Peter’s, and no one challenges him but all agree to the utility of the Deacon; and so it is with the priest whom we hear nothing at all – but just see them appear without argument.

Peter has the right to parcel out the ministry entrusted to him as he sees fit; in PART or in whole, as the church sees expedient.
Huiou Theou describes the religious authority established in Moses.

Moses’ teaching authority was mentioned by Jesus when he taught His diciples to obey their teaching but not to act like them.
Matt 23
Then Jesus spoke to the multitudes and to his disciples, [2] Saying: The scribes and the Pharisees have sitten on the chair of Moses. [3]All things therefore whatsoever they shall say to you, observe and do: but according to their works do ye not; for they say, and do not.
The Father opened a door in Peter and revealed His Son Jesus. Jesus had been asking them who they believed Him to be. I agree that the Apostolic Bond was established when Peter was chosen by the Father to know Jesus as His Son. The eternal characteristic of the bond guarantees it’s continuation.
 
The sacrament of Confirmation is our personal participation in Pentacost. I don’t think Pentacost is the origin of apostolic succession.

Before Pentacost, the disciples and Apostles locked themselves in an upstairs room out of fear.

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the doors were locked, where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews (John 20:19)

***When they entered the city they went to the upper room *where they were staying, Peter and John and James and Andrew, Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew, James son of Alphaeus, Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. All these devoted themselves with one accord to prayer, together with some women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers. (Acts 1:13-14)

They are afraid to do anything but pray, and hardly go out because they are afraid. But after Pentacost, they walked about the streets in the power of the Holy Spirit, boldly proclaiming Christ to the world without any fear. Consider…

***And they were all filled with the holy Spirit and began to speak *in different tongues, as the Spirit enabled them to proclaim. (Acts 2:4)

There speaking astounds those who hear them.

***Then Peter stood up with the Eleven, raised his voice, and proclaimed *to them… (Acts 2:14)

Peter doesn’t just make a speech. He raises his voice and procliams boldly! And the crowds respond mightily, and Peter instructs them to be baptized.

Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and they asked Peter and the other apostles, “What are we to do, my brothers?” (Acts 2:37)

Peter then goes into the very heart of Jewish workship, the temple, and after curing a cripple, he proclaims Jesus to all who were worshipping.

As he clung to Peter and John, all the people hurried in amazement toward them in the portico called “Solomon’s Portico. When Peter saw this, he addressed the people… (Acts 3:11-12)

Peter is then brought before the supreme Jewish council, the Sanhedrin, which has the power of life and death over any Jew. Even before the Sanhedrin he is fearless.

They brought them into their presence and questioned them, “By what power or by what name have you done this?” Then Peter, filled with the holy Spirit, answered them… (Acts 4:7-8)

The council orders them to stop preaching Jesus but they refuse…

So they called them back and ordered them not to speak or teach at all in the name of Jesus. Peter and John, however, said to them in reply, “Whether it is right in the sight of God for us to obey you rather than God, you be the judges. It is impossible for us not to speak about what we have seen and heard. (Acts 4:18-20)

Even stephen, threatened with death, refuses to stop speaking, and goes to his martyrdom trusting in God and speaking boldly.

Our participation in Pentacost is through the sacrament of confirmation. It clothes us with power from on high, whereby we put on Christ and all fear is removed. I don’t think Pentacost has anything to do with apostolic succession.

-Tim-
 
I’m just guessing this because the apostles’ reception of the Spirit sounds like the same Spirit a priest receives at ordination. I’ve heard it said that Peter was the only one ordained by Christ (being given the authority to bind and loose) or that they were not ordained until Christ gave them the Great Comission. But if it was the former, I think we’d have to conclude that Peter ordained the rest of the apostles, which I’ve never heard of. If it was the latter, how are we to understand Pentecost?

Or is the origin found somewhere else entirely?
The 120 received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. When a person receives the Holy Spirit, they will speak in tongues as well !
 
The 120 received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. When a person receives the Holy Spirit, they will speak in tongues as well !
Well that is totally wrong. There are many gifts of the Spirit and tongues is only one of them. Read what Paul says of these gifts and he doesn’t rate tongues as being the greatest gift.
 
The 120 received the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues. When a person receives the Holy Spirit, they will speak in tongues as well !
Are you suggesting that the 1.2 billion Catholics in the world, almost none of whom speak in tongues, have not received the Holy Spirit??
 
I always beleived when Jesus gave Peter the “keys”…changed his name…which was always a significant changing event in Scripture…at this point, Jesus established apostolic succession specifically giving Peter the “keys”…established authority. Hence, Apostolic succession, based on authority, is the key and foundation set by Christ Himself…Peter “standing” or speaking for the Apostles and Disciples following this event is proof of what was established “On the Rock”…
 
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