Is sexual fantasy always sinful?

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To be precise:

Is it sinful for an unmarried person to imagine in detail engaging in chaste sexual acts with a possible or imaginary future spouse?

Please give references if possible and state whether it is grave matter or not if it is sinful

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Matthew 5:27-28 – "You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I say to you, everyone who looks at a woman with lust has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
 
CCC:2351
“Lust is disordered desire for or enjoyment of sexual pleasure. Sexual pleasure is morally disordered when sought for itself, isolated from its procreative and unitive purposes.”
 
The imagining of chaste marital acts is not lustful, because 1) the imagined acts are not isolated from their procreative and unitive purposes and 2) no actual sexual pleasure is obtained from fantasizing about them.
 
The imagining of chaste marital acts is not lustful, because 1) the imagined acts are not isolated from their procreative and unitive purposes and 2) no actual sexual pleasure is obtained from fantasizing about them.
I think they are lustful because the person is not married now and chastity for a single person is to be careful not to be aroused. They are to practice custody of thier thoughts and not be thinking about sexual activities.
 
The imagining of chaste marital acts is not lustful, because 1) the imagined acts are not isolated from their procreative and unitive purposes and 2) no actual sexual pleasure is obtained from fantasizing about them.
Come on now, be honest with yourself and stop trying to rationalize what you know is wrong.
  1. If you are imagining the acts, then you aren’t performing them. If you aren’t performing them, then they are isolated (that is, separated) from their procreative and unitive purposes.
  2. By fantasizing one is implicitly imagining the whole act – placing oneself in the situation.
  3. Re-read Matthew 5:27-28 and reflect on it.
 
Seatuck,
Do you mean it is sinful as it is a near occasion of sins such as masturbation?
 
dcrowmik,
Sexual pleasure is NOT sought by one who is sexually fantasising, rather a hormonal rush. So no lust is involved thus far.

If the fantasiser is not imagining sinful acts, no lust is involved at all.
 
To be precise:

Is it sinful for an unmarried person to imagine in detail engaging in chaste sexual acts with a possible or imaginary future spouse?

Please give references if possible and state whether it is grave matter or not if it is sinful

Thanks.
It’s perfectly normal and natural to think about such things. The sexual experience is one of the most emotionally satisfying and pleasurable experiences that we will have in this lifetime. Such though should not be engaged in without restraint. I do believe we are called by God to control ourselves in all areas of life.

Whenever you find yourself having these thoughts, it’s probably acknowledge them as pleasurable and good, then let them pass on through. Dwelling on them can only lead to trouble.
 
To be precise:

Is it sinful for an unmarried person to imagine in detail engaging in chaste sexual acts with a possible or imaginary future spouse?

Please give references if possible and state whether it is grave matter or not if it is sinful

Thanks.
No, it is not intrinsically evil, nor is it always immoral, for an unmarried person to consider in his or her mind the marital act.

Lust is a willingness to commit a morally illicit sexual act of any kind. Thus Christ gives the example of the person who has committed adultery in his heart, i.e. he was willing to commit an immoral sexual act. He does not give the example of a husband considering sexual relations with his wife, or an unmarried person considering relations with a future spouse.

There are three fonts of morality:
  1. intention - the intention to have natural marital relations is not immoral because the intended act is not immoral
  2. moral object - the act of considering marital relations tends towards the end or object of actually having marital relations, which is good, not evil.
  3. IF the circumstances are such that this consideration does NOT lead to any immoral sexual acts (such as masturbation), but only prepares the person for a possible future marriage, then the circumstances are good.
All three fonts are good, and so the act is moral.
 
I think about this subject, being a healthy, single, young man and a virgin whose not yet ready for marriage but will consider it.

I think having these fantasies are somewhat natural, for men and women, as they are anticipating what may happen to them later in life, particularly if it’s something they want or aspire to have. It’s a part of them that wants to feel like they have something before they actually have it, so that it makes searching for a spouse more exciting and encourages them not to give up the search and to leave it also in God’s hands. Imagining the martial act in and of itself doesn’t seem sinful as it is just one component of a healthy marriage. At any other time, you might fantasize about your future wife’s cooking, and how you look forward to it, with her having you sample it from a spoon “say ahhhh…” sort of cute daydream. Things like this are harmless, but if they’re turning you on you should probably stop because they’re becoming disorderly, and if you find yourself focusing too much on the sex, then you would be seeking it for sexual gratification, rather than viewing it, in your mind’s eye, as an observation of what goes in in a marriage. When lust becomes involved in a daydream or fantasy, you’ll know it.

Obviously it can go in that direction very easily if you allow it to, especially with how the media has brainwashed society and bombarded it with improper sexual stimulation. That we are sexually stimulated, though, even by proper courtship and marriage is just part of how the brain works. God intends for these things to be pleasurable, because He intends for us to look forward to the way of life, that of the married life, that He has or will eventually open up to us. In wanting it to be unitive, He allows it to be pleasurable, even just in thought because He knows this makes us happy or comforts us in some way. Yet, at the same time, He wants us to realize that in order to have that, we have to behave.

But you just know the “other one” is waiting for you to think “I can’t take this anymore” and you masturbate or whatever to give yourself a release from the fantasy. But then you can turn this into something good too, because if that’s your problem then now you realize where your personal limit is. If even just imaging sex with an imaginary wife that doesn’t exist leads to masturbation, you know to do less imagining in the things about the marriage that are sexual or sensual and that you need to focus more on the whole of the marriage. If imaging martial intimacy still tempts you to sin, then it’s obviously a no-brainer- don’t do it, or when you feel the tingling down there it’s time to stop, wake up, and get back to work or whatever it was you were doing. 😃

Also, if you are having these fantasies with the intent to be turned on, then obviously it’s sinful perhaps before even committing to the fantasy, since the intent is there to have it go in that direction. I can’t speak for anyone else, and I’m still young (26), but this just seems like common sense to me.
 
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