Is Smoking Tobacco Sin?

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I’ve got something mildly bothering my conscience. I work for a tobacco company albeit in a low to middle income job doing the company payroll and offering tax advice. The company match my donations to the catholic church and catholic charities and are investing in research and development to reduce health risks. Should I leave? It’s not easy to find work at the minute…and I am relatively happy there
John,

I don’t think there is anything wrong with this at all. In fact, I would commend the company for researching ways to make their products safer!

Tobacco, like alcohol, is dangerous when chronically abused; but when used in moderation, poses no outstanding risks except in exceptional circumstances. The Catholic Church does not view tobacco to be any kind of a vice, so long as it is used moderately, so there is no inherent sin in working for a tobacco company. If they were actively attempting to hide the risks of their products, it may be a different matter altogether; but it sounds like they are taking the right approach.

If you’re happy there, and they’re actively trying to make their product safer, as well as contributing to the Catholic Church and other charities, then it sounds like an upstanding company you should be proud to be a part of!
 
…Tobacco, like alcohol, is dangerous when chronically abused; but when used in moderation, poses no outstanding risks except in exceptional circumstances…
This is an outrageously irresponsible statement to make. It flies in the face of all medical research. The fact is tobacco use is the single biggest cause of preventable death in the US. You can argue all you want about whether or not its use is a sin, but don’t try to justify your position by saying it’s use is safe. I would consider death an “outstanding risk”.
 
This is an outrageously irresponsible statement to make. It flies in the face of all medical research. The fact is tobacco use is the single biggest cause of preventable death in the US. You can argue all you want about whether or not its use is a sin, but don’t try to justify your position by saying it’s use is safe. I would consider death an “outstanding risk”.
I suggest you do a bit of research before you say it “flies in the face of all medical research.” Chronic smoking of cigarettes does lead to a host of health issues, but this is because of the combustion of the tobacco, plus the chemical additives they put into it. Occasional or moderate use of cigarettes would have a corresponding decrease in health risks, compared with heavy usage (abuse, in other words.) In all honesty, Americans’ daily consumption of fast food is probably more injurious to their health than an occasional cigarette.

Smokeless tobacco has far, far lower health risks. Recent studies has put the relative health risks of modern smokeless tobacco to be essentially on par with the carcinogenic effect of alcohol, provided usage patterns are relatively the same. The key is TSNAs, or Tobacco Specific Nitrosamines, which have been drastically reduced in American tobacco products since the 1990’s, and are exceedingly low in Swedish snus and modern dry snuff products as to be nearly insignificant.

Even still, if we take cigars, pipes, and hookahs into account, moderate use of these products has not been known to elevate one’s risk that much at all. We take in carcinogens and nitrosamines in every day products such as alcohol, processed food, cosmetics, and the air we breathe. Should we stop drinking, eating, beautifying, and breathing because there is some inherent risk? Of course not. We should practice moderation and enjoy our lives, rather than becoming Puritanical hypocrites and making our existence miserable, and yet dying just the same!

So, what you’re doing here is comparing apples with oranges, given that most of the research/hype/propaganda you’re referring to is concerning cigarettes and not the alternatives. Furthermore, this is not taking into account the fact that tobacco products can be made safer through better curing procedures to reduce TSNAs to vanishingly small and insignificant amounts. I suggest you do a bit more research before spouting off.
 
I’m a little hesitant about the purported health risks of tobacco; mostly because all my Grand parents, great grandparents, and great great grandparents all chain smoke (chain smoked in the case of my great great grandparents) and all of them lived (or are living) well past the average lifespan and didn’t die of smoking related causes.

great grandparents: On both sides of my family they are 86-91.

My great great grandparents both lived into their 100’s on both sides of my family. All of them died naturally in their sleep.

And all of them are (or were) a pack a day or more smokers.

So either my family has some kind of super tolerance for tar and other chemicals in tobacco or the health risks are slightly exaggerated.
 
John,

I don’t think there is anything wrong with this at all. In fact, I would commend the company for researching ways to make their products safer!

Tobacco, like alcohol, is dangerous when chronically abused; but when used in moderation, poses no outstanding risks except in exceptional circumstances. The Catholic Church does not view tobacco to be any kind of a vice, so long as it is used moderately, so there is no inherent sin in working for a tobacco company. If they were actively attempting to hide the risks of their products, it may be a different matter altogether; but it sounds like they are taking the right approach.

If you’re happy there, and they’re actively trying to make their product safer, as well as contributing to the Catholic Church and other charities, then it sounds like an upstanding company you should be proud to be a part of!
Thanks I feel a better now:eek:
 
If you really believed that then you would see nothing wrong with blowing cigarette smoke at the Eucharist.
Eating is nourshing our bodies, which are temples of the Holy Spirit. So why not dunk the Eucharist in a bowl of chili?

Obviously, that line of reasoning is well off the mark; but I suspect you already knew that.
 
If you really believed that then you would see nothing wrong with blowing cigarette smoke at the Eucharist.
Hmmm…not sure what to make of that. Maybe I shouldn’t play contact sports afterall I wouldn’t want to shudder into the Eucharist :rolleyes:
 
We incense the Eucharist don’t we? That’s kinda smokey
 
I suggest you do a bit of research before you say it “flies in the face of all medical research.” Chronic smoking of cigarettes does lead to a host of health issues, but this is because of the combustion of the tobacco, plus the chemical additives they put into it. Occasional or moderate use of cigarettes would have a corresponding decrease in health risks, compared with heavy usage (abuse, in other words.) In all honesty, Americans’ daily consumption of fast food is probably more injurious to their health than an occasional cigarette.
First, let me say how I agree with you. I agree that we cannot totally eliminate all risks from our lives, and it is misguided to try. Furthermore, I agree that the data on smokeless tobacco and occasional use is inconclusive. And I am not maintaining that smoking is a sin. However it is still irresponsible to encourage such a casual attitude toward smoking in a public forum that is read by teens and other who may be making up their minds for the first time as to whether to try smoking. You asked about research. Well, there are a lot of sources I could cite, but for the best summary, I will simply cite the Center for Disease Control here. If you have studies that contradict these, then please post them and also explain why you think the ones you cite are more credible than the CDC’s data.

Now let me address why I think the excuse about smokeless tobacco is an irrelevant distraction. The fact is that the vast majority of tobacco use is cigarette smoking. People reading this thread are going to be thinking “cigarette smoking” unless you make it very clear that you are speaking only about these less common alternatives. When you say
Tobacco, like alcohol, is dangerous when chronically abused; but when used in moderation, poses no outstanding risks except in exceptional circumstances.
What did you think of as chronic abuse? The CDC defines a “regular smoker” as opposed to an “occasional smoker” as someone who smokes one or more cigarettes every day. And that is the level at which the data is incontrovertible. Just read through that CDC link above and see what the research says.

So where do all those pack-a-day smokers come from? Do you think they started out saying “I think I’ll become a pack-a-day smoker”? No, they all intended to be occasional smokers. Some of them managed to do that, but most did not, or they were lucky and stopped smoking entirely. You don’t know if you are becoming addicted until you become addicted. It happens gradually, and occasional use turns into regular use.

And to Tyuiop411 who says
all my Grand parents, great grandparents, and great great grandparents all chain smoke (chain smoked in the case of my great great grandparents) and all of them lived (or are living) well past the average lifespan and didn’t die of smoking related causes
I am very happy for your family and their good fortune. But it is scientifically insignificant to form a conclusion about the risks to all people based on anecdotal evidence gathered from people you select. When probabilities are involved, there are always going to be some people who beat the odds. And if you look for them, you will find them. But if you were going to be scientific about it, you would not limit your group to just those relatives of yours. You would take a random sample of people - as large a sample as you can manage. Even limiting yourself to people you know, you most likely have heard of someone who died of lung cancer or smoking-related heart disease. Trust the statistics. They were done with much more care than your casual observations.

I am not saying that people should not take risks. But those who are taking those risks should be as informed as possible about what those risks are. Then they can decide for themselves if they want to take those risks.

But please do not encourage children to start smoking. We have come so far in the last 50 years in reducing smoking, and irresponsible statements about the safety of smoking sends a mixed message to young people just making up their minds.
 
LeafByNiggle, I wasn’t proposing that the fact that a good portion of my relatives have beat the odds was scientific proof that smoking isn’t dangerous. I simply wanted to show by way of my personal experiences that smoking does not equal guaranteed death in the end. Even though I do smoke I would never encourage anyone to start. To me it just seems like some of the risks are hyped a wee bit out of proportion.

Whoever mentioned that powdered snus stuff I need to thank you for that suggestion. I used to dip but it made my teeth look terrible so I took up smoking instead. Now that I know about this I may start using it instead of cigarettes since it doesn’t have to be taken orally like dip.
 
LeafByNiggle,

I wasn’t “encouraging a casual attitude toward smoking.” In fact, I never even mentioned smoking; you made that assumption yourself. I’m not responsible for your reading things into my post that I never intended.

What I was doing was assuring an individual that his working for a tobacco company is not sinful, since it is actively researching ways to make their products safer, while also contributing to the Catholic Church and charities. Secondly, where in my post did I encourage ANY attitude toward smoking? I mentioned tobacco use, which does not equate to smoking, but covers a wide range of much safer alternatives. I never have, and never will, encourage smoking. I do encourage those using tobacco to switch to safer alternatives, such as smokeless tobacco, and I will address the many falsehoods and taboos concerning their use.

I don’t mean to sound uncharitable, but you should really try reading my post before becoming indignant about things I have never done or said. The alternative is to appear rather foolish at the end of the day.
 
…you should really try reading my post before becoming indignant about things I have never done or said. The alternative is to appear rather foolish at the end of the day.
Sorry. I do feel foolish for reacting to just one sentence out of context. (Note to self: Read all the posts in a thread before replying.) Yes, upon reading the rest of what you wrote it is clear that you do recognize the dangers of smoking, and were not advocating a casual attitude toward the subject.
 
Sorry. I do feel foolish for reacting to just one sentence out of context. (Note to self: Read all the posts in a thread before replying.) Yes, upon reading the rest of what you wrote it is clear that you do recognize the dangers of smoking, and were not advocating a casual attitude toward the subject.
Don’t worry about it, it’s easy to read things wrong or out of context online. I’ve done it plenty of times myself!
 
It is wrong. You are basically corrupting in a certain way the Temple of God. Tobacco is not good for you health. Prolonged expose weakens a lot your body. I do not believe God made the body so people could destry their lungs, among other things, with tobacco. It also provokes addiction.

In short, it’s a bad thing and Christians are to do the good thing.
 
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