Is solipsism an acceptable outlook?

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Everything in the universe is an illusion except for myself; I am the only person with a soul, everyone else is a shell. God has created this entire universe as a trial for me to enter heaven, and he will do so for other people eventually, but this specific universe was designed for me.

Is this view acceptable to the Church, or is it an absurdity?
 
How does a solipsist know God exists?

It’s absurd but completely impossible to argue against.
 
Everything in the universe is an illusion except for myself; I am the only person with a soul, everyone else is a shell. God has created this entire universe as a trial for me to enter heaven, and he will do so for other people eventually, but this specific universe was designed for me.

Is this view acceptable to the Church, or is it an absurdity?
It is absurd. If this is so, then everything in the universe is a vicious lie. We’ve been told to love simulcrums as if they were ourselves. These simulcrums are also directly and completely controlled by God, so everything bad that has every happened to you is due to the active attacking influence of God.

The world you paint isn’t logically incoherent, and as Mirdath said is impossible to argue against, but it is totally incompatible with the Catholic view of God.
 
Everything in the universe is an illusion except for myself; I am the only person with a soul, everyone else is a shell. God has created this entire universe as a trial for me to enter heaven, and he will do so for other people eventually, but this specific universe was designed for me.

Is this view acceptable to the Church, or is it an absurdity?
To a true solipsist, God is an illusion too.

In fact, if solipsism is true, any discussion concerning it would be futile, as all participants in the discussion besides the self would be non-existant.

So why are you asking me? Or are you asking me? Maybe you don’t exist… :hmmm:
 
G.K. Chesterton said (two quotes below):

“The madman is not the man who has lost his reason. The madman is the man who has lost everything except his reason.”

Take it to the extreme. Maybe you’re God having a dream that “He’s you” (dreaming all things around you, and your own mind too); or maybe He’s just thinking it through. This isn’t illogical. It’s just insane.

"You can only find truth with logic if you have already found truth without it. "

You can’t PROVE you exist, or PROVE others exist or PROVE creation. They’re from God not from your reason. () We’re not God’s thoughts - His thoughts are one with Him. We’re separate realities made from nothing*. Start with the truths God gave us, and reason from there.

(*) This much I think is part of Catholic teaching. The rest is Catholic common sense
 
To me, solipsism just seems to fall apart. If, in some way, I am God why does this universe not bend to my every whim? One may argue that the part of you “projecting” this universe is hidden from your consciousness but, for me, that argument does not pan out because the “other” part must really be God as we experience ourselves as distinct selves and anything apart from me cannot really be me, can it? And if the “other” is not a mind, then how can it create or project all of that which seems to be “out there”?

Really though, what is the “problem” here? If we truly are “selves” we cannot be aware of another as we are of ourselves, else we would lose our selfhood. In other words, If your thoughts emotions and ideas were present to me as mine are, I would no longer be me.

So I think the truth is that we are each of us respectively given our “self” from the Supreme Self (God) and we are able to know other minds because you are able to use your body and the matter around each of us to express what is on your mind, I am therefore able to know what you are thinking.

G.K. Chesterton wrote of solipsism:

"There is a sceptic far more terrible than he who believes that
everything began in matter. It is possible to meet the sceptic
who believes that everything began in himself. He doubts not the existence of angels or devils, but the existence of men and cows. For him his own friends are a mythology made up by himself. He created his own father and his own mother. This horrible fancy has in it something decidedly attractive to the somewhat mystical egoism of our day. That publisher who thought that men would get on if they believed in themselves, those seekers after the Superman who are always looking for him in the looking-glass, those writers who talk about impressing their personalities instead of creating life for the world, all these people have really only an inch between them and this awful emptiness. Then when this kindly world all round the man has been blackened out like a lie; when friends fade into ghosts, and the foundations of the world fail; then when the man, believing in nothing and in no man, is alone in his own nightmare, then the great individualistic motto shall be written over him in avenging irony. The stars will be only dots in the blackness of his own brain; his mother’s face will be only a sketch from his own insane pencil on the walls of his cell. But over his cell shall be written, with dreadful truth, “He believes in himself.” - Orthodoxy
 
Everything in the universe is an illusion except for myself; I am the only person with a soul, everyone else is a shell. God has created this entire universe as a trial for me to enter heaven, and he will do so for other people eventually, but this specific universe was designed for me.

Is this view acceptable to the Church, or is it an absurdity?
This is something I fight as a result of ptsd, bi-polar, and clinical depression. When you add in an experience with God, the rest is just smoke and mirrors. I think it would be at odds with the Church because sincere love is difficult and a sense of community is almost impossible. People become objects you can just turn off and walk away from in the middle of a conversation if you don’t feel like discussing anything with them anymore. It is a way to deal with stress because my other way to deal is disordered. It’s a flight or fight reaction that, as a christen I must take flight or I’ll just take you out of the game and that is against the rules. Though this isn’t true solipsism, but derealization or desocialization to some extent as a way to cope with trauma and guilt. It is also a big ego trip, thinking that everything is custom tailored by God as a test for you, though it still may. You have to keep it real or you’ll flake out and start to make your own rules which is against real rule #1, dig?
 
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