Is Tai Chi sorcery?

[JimR-OCDS]

Actually the Hindu priests were talking about Yoga overall, even the kind Americans do that’s “just for exercise.” Their claim and conclusion along with De Amorths was that its the same, as it is impossible to seperate the spirituality from the positions, and I think they would know better than us.

Who has discredited Fr Amorth?

Well they’re wrong then, for the Yoga we do in the US, is purely physical exercise.

Fr Amorth claimed to have performed 50,000 exorcisms.

Based on the age he was ordained, it was easily concluded that he could not possibly have performed this many exorcisms.

Jim

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Well they’re wrong then, for the Yoga we do in the US, is purely physical exercise.

Fr Amorth claimed to have performed 50,000 exorcisms.

Based on the age he was ordained, it was easily concluded that he could not possibly have performed this many exorcisms.

Jim

The RCC has not discredited Fr Amorth correct? Only you have, without any consideration of miracles or supernatural help. You’ve come to an earthly conclusion, but I believe Fr Amorth, stranger things have happened throughout our Churchs history

 

[JimR-OCDS]

CrimsonThorn

Even if you’re not doing the spirituality portion on purpose or knowlingly, you still are. I think that was the point.

And of course that’s non-sense.

But yea, if you’re just stretching or whatever, then you’re not doing “yoga” If you’re taking a.yoga class though, you’re doing yoga, and yoga in full, even if they don’t meditate.

No, if you’re doing Yoga exercise, you’re not doing anything spiritual in it, unless you bring it in of your own free will.

The intent of the will is what makes anything spiritual or not, whether it’s prayer or exercise, and the type of spirituality is dependent on the faith the person has.

I’m a Christian and have been for over 35 years. There have been no spiritual effects from doing Yoga exercise other than it helping my prayer life in being that I feel better physically and mentally.

Jim

 

[JimR-OCDS]

The RCC has not discredited Fr Amorth correct? Only you have, without any consideration of miracles or supernatural help. You’ve come to an earthly conclusion, but I believe Fr Amorth, stranger things have happened throughout our Churchs history

Doesn’t matter if the RCC has not discredited him, he’s retired and his words are not treated as infallible by the RCC.

However, all it takes is doing some thinking for yourself to see that it is impossible to have performed 50,000 exorcisms in his life-time. Even if he did one per day, for 60 years, he’d only could’ve done half that amount, But no exorcist performs an exorcism everyday of their priesthood.

There are some other issues, that priest have been critical about with things he said.

But the threat isn’t about him, and he apparently views all Yoga as being the same, which in itself is correct according to those of use who do yoga exercise.

Jim

 

[CrimsonThorn]

Doesn’t matter if the RCC has not discredited him, he’s retired and his words are not treated as infallible by the RCC.

However, all it takes is doing some thinking for yourself to see that it is impossible to have performed 50,000 exorcisms in his life-time. Even if he did one per day, for 60 years, he’d only could’ve done half that amount, But no exorcist performs an exorcism everyday of their priesthood.

There are some other issues, that priest have been critical about with things he said.

But the threat isn’t about him, and he apparently views all Yoga as being the same, which in itself is correct according to those of use who do yoga exercise.

Jim

Again, the math you present and conclude by is earthly. No thought given to supernatural help? Do you remember hearing about Padre Pio being able to bi-locate (being in two places at the same time)? It’s on EWTNs site in a section about him. Time and space are nothing to God, and God can and does defy all earthly laws.

 

[ValPal]

I’m not sure you’re understanding. The conclusion they’ve all come to, is that even if its not the “same” yoga they do in India, its the exact same Yoga, because it is impossible to do yoga without the spirituality of it being present.

I understand quite well.

When I put my hands together in Church in prayer, that is also a mudra position. Since you claim that the two cannot be separated, then I am participating in yoga. Correct?

If not, why not?

 

[JimR-OCDS]

Again, the math you present and conclude by is earthly. No thought given to supernatural help? Do you remember hearing about Padre Pio being able to bi-locate (being in two places at the same time)? It’s on EWTNs site in a section about him. Time and space are nothing to God, and God can and does defy all earthly laws.

If he’s making the claim that he has performed 50,000 exorcisms and many of those were supernatural in nature, rather than being present physically at each exorcism, then he needs to be investigated by the Church for making such a claim.

However, that’s not what he has done.

Yes, I’ve read of Padre Pio’s bi-location abilities, but it’s a different subject than what the thread is about.

Jim

 

[CrimsonThorn]

I understand quite well.

When I put my hands together in Church in prayer, that is also a mudra position. Since you claim that the two cannot be separated, then I am participating in yoga. Correct?

If not, why not?

I would say holding your hands together in Church is not yoga, because you are doing it within the context of being at Church and within Catholicism.

Doing yoga positions in the context of yoga or at a yoga class, is not Catholicism, its yoga.

This is my opinion in this post, a priest might be the person to ask if you want a better answer. And my feelings against yoga are not from me, they come from what the Church has said. Your gripe is with the Church not with me. I’m just passing along what I’ve read

 

[CrimsonThorn]

If he’s making the claim that he has performed 50,000 exorcisms and many of those were supernatural in nature, rather than being present physically at each exorcism, then he needs to be investigated by the Church for making such a claim.

However, that’s not what he has done.

Yes, I’ve read of Padre Pio’s bi-location abilities, but it’s a different subject than what the thread is about.

Jim

Yes we’re going off topic with you disputing Fr Amorths credibility. He is a priest and if the RCC has not condemned his claims (maybe they have investigated?) then Id give him the benefit of the doubt. And if he says yoga is satanic, then I believe him. The end.

 

[ValPal]

I would say holding your hands together in Church is not yoga, because you are doing it within the context of being at Church and within Catholicism.

I’ve been contending all along that it is the intent placed with the action that matters. You’ve just said exactly that with the above.

The problem with “Yoga” is that the exercises with the spiritual intent and the exercise without the spiritual intent are all thrown in the same boat and called the same thing. Hence the reason why these arguments end up making no sense.

If you asked a religious figure in the Church if exercises were evil, what do you think that figure would say? It’s satanic???

If you asked the same question and stated that you were praying to Hindu gods while doing so, what would that figure say?

These two question are applicable when practicing “yoga,” and unless they have the exact same answers, the proper distinctions must be made when having these discussions.

 

[CrimsonThorn]

I’ve been contending all along that it is the intent placed with the action that matters. You’ve just said exactly that with the above.

The problem with “Yoga” is that the exercises with the spiritual intent and the exercise without the spiritual intent are all thrown in the same boat and called the same thing. Hence the reason why these arguments end up making no sense.

If you asked a religious figure in the Church if exercises were evil, what do you think that figure would say? It’s satanic???

If you asked the same question and stated that you were praying to Hindu gods while doing so, what would that figure say?

These two question are applicable when practicing “yoga,” and unless they have the exact same answers, the proper distinctions must be made when having these discussions.

I can only half agree, exercise is not satanic. Yoga is a problem. It’s a.problem because there is only one context with yoga. There is no yoga within the.context of exercise, its just yoga, even if exercise is a secondary benefit to it. I’d rather get my exercise from other ways.

 

[JimR-OCDS]

I can only half agree, exercise is not satanic. Yoga is a problem. It’s a.problem because there is only one context with yoga. There is no yoga within the.context of exercise, its just yoga, even if exercise is a secondary benefit to it. I’d rather get my exercise from other ways.

If you do any exercise that is taught by a professional trainer, whether you know it or not, you’ll more than likely be doing some Yoga exercise, because the physical benefits are so well known, that they are now part of most exercise programs, even lifting weights.

There are various styles of Yoga in India, and Hindus practice Yoga with spirituality, but then, such devote Hindus do everything in life with a spiritual intent. So for them, they can not separate Yoga from their spirituality.

However, a Christian can do Yoga with Christian spirituality, if that’s what he intends to do.

I sometimes say the Jesus Prayer, but in general, the dynamic flow from one posture to another and the focus on breathing, doesn’t allow for much focus on prayer.

Jim

 

[ValPal]

It’s a.problem because there is only one context with yoga.

Some people believe that, and a whole lot of others don’t. Plenty of people refer to the various exercises as yoga, and simply have no clue as to Hinduism. I’ve done the “yoga” in the P90x exercises, and do a couple stretches to loosen up my lower back. I don’t have the foggiest clue as to any spiritual significance attached to that.