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PJM
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Friends;
Under what specific conditions can the bible be sufficient to prove ones faith beliefs?
Under what specific conditions can the bible be sufficient to prove ones faith beliefs?
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Gaerteuth
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None, because the Bible itself is not a piece of evidence.
It’s a claim. The evidence comes from elsewhere- for instance, there are many historical references outside of the Bible pertaining to the existence of Jesus. However, there is not one single document referencing which day he was born on.
So some things can be confirmed, others can’t.
For instance, if you could fit every creature onto one boat and have that boat withstand the force of a super tidal wave, you are the best engineer to ever have lived. Unfortunately, there is absolutely no historical references, physical evidence or even bareboned logical ground that the story of Noah’s Ark can sit on.
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GreatergoodGod
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I believe the bible is foundational to the Catholic faith. It’s a good place to test things and the faith in general to people that might doubt the faith. As for every practice of the church? No I don’t believe every church practice has to be in scripture, in reality no one not even protestants are doing it 100% by the book.
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angeldia30
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According to Catechism, The Church is made up of both Scripture and Tradition. There is a Oral Tradition and customs with the Apostles that spread the Word of God by “word of mouth” 300 years before the Bible was ever printed. The Bible is the “inspired Word of God” because the scribes and Apostles that were “inspired of the Holy Spirit” when writing the Scriptures. Never does the Bible itself talk about Solo Scriptura which is what many Protestants believe. A good phrase out of the Book of St. James is this: “Faith without works is dead”.
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MarcoPolo
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Sounds like you are talking about the idea that the Bible is “materially sufficient”.
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poptown
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I would say the Bible may contain the truths that are sufficient for salvation. But you need the Church to dig out these truths in Unity, guard them with Tradition and practice them through Sacraments. For me, I couldn’t even imagine the risk of falling into false beliefs if I leave the Church. Of course many Protestants are not afraid, which is why we should pray for them.
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PJM
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As the “OP” just a note: catholic Do Not hold to “Bible Alone” as being sufficient.
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Bayoubeefmaster
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The bible is only sufficient when its the only thing you have. This is a rarity since the Church is everywhere. If the bible was sufficient that’s all Jesus would’ve given us. Don’t get me wrong the bible is extremely important and is the primary way we learn about Christ. “ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ” according to St Jerome
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CalCatholic
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This is a good time to reflect on the words of Pope Francis:
**“Sacred Scripture is the written testimony of the divine Word, the canonical memory that attests to the event of Revelation. However, the Word of God precedes the Bible and surpasses it. That is why the center of our faith isn’t just a book, but a salvation history and above all a person, Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh.”
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**“Sacred Scripture is the written testimony of the divine Word, the canonical memory that attests to the event of Revelation. However, the Word of God precedes the Bible and surpasses it. That is why the center of our faith isn’t just a book, but a salvation history and above all a person, Jesus Christ, the Word of God made flesh.”
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COPLAND_3
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There are a some reasons why the Bible alone is not the complete authority to our faith. One reason is that it requires interpretation. With the infallible Word of God it requires an infallible Doctrine of it. And to have an infallible interpretation it requires an infallible interpreter, which we have in the Church.
Another thing we have to ask is at what point did the Bible alone become sufficent? It obviouslty was not for many centuries after Christianity was established since there was not a canon of Scripture until much later. The whole Bible alone argument just can’t stand based on the facts of how we got the Bible because it took authority outside of the Bible to put the Bible together and to determine what was inspired and what was not.
Another thing we have to ask is at what point did the Bible alone become sufficent? It obviouslty was not for many centuries after Christianity was established since there was not a canon of Scripture until much later. The whole Bible alone argument just can’t stand based on the facts of how we got the Bible because it took authority outside of the Bible to put the Bible together and to determine what was inspired and what was not.
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yogosans14
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It is and it ISNT.
This sacred book can cause divisions like it has done because of man’s interpretation. i thank god for the holy tradition he has given to the RCC, in the Watchtower society Tradition is viewed as Satanic
This sacred book can cause divisions like it has done because of man’s interpretation. i thank god for the holy tradition he has given to the RCC, in the Watchtower society Tradition is viewed as Satanic
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