Is the concept of Self esteem compatible with Catholicism/Christianity?

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And isn’t a “healthy self esteem” necessary to have true humility?
I mean in the sense,for example, the Prayer Litany of Humility say “deliver me from the desire of being preferred to others”.
If someone had low self esteem already then their perception of this could become twisted (if that makes sense)?
You do need a healthy self esteem. In terms of Christianity, it would apparently be knowing that you are loved by God.

I had a thread about false humility (someone accused me of that) and apparently it’s when someone essentially puts themselves down.
 
We’ll just have to agree to disagree. This can’t go on!😦

Did you look at those articles?
i’ll stick with what they say. After all, they know what they’re talking about regarding that wretched “E” word.
Theodore Dalrymple was not referring to the difference between self-esteem and self-respect. He was referring to patients who come to therapists and try to use the term “self-esteem” as an excuse for being lazy and self-absorbed and to feel entitled to praise they have done nothing to earn. Likewise, he was using the term “self-respect” to refer to what is actually concern for others–for instance, grooming yourself with the recognition that other people have reason to expect you’ll exert yourself to make a pleasant appearance for others (and even for yourself).

I think this doctor would agree that the self-absorbed patients who too often come to psychologists already self-diagnosed with “low self-esteem” do not make it impossible that someone else out there really is being prevented from acting with appropriate self-respect because they truly do have an inappropriately low view of themselves as persons with inherent value not connected to their accomplishments. I hope you will agree that the person who truly does not see value in himself is going to have a hard time believing his contributions could be of value to anyone else. What good is that?

Likewise, someone could accuse those with self-respect as saying, as the self-respecting Pharisee did: “O God, I thank you that I am not like the rest of humanity - I have self-respect, because I get off my behind and act the way I should act, not self-esteem which imagines that low-lifes have value even though they do nothing to deserve it!!” Is the Pharisee afflicted with too much self-respect? Of course not! He’s afflicted with the vice of pride, which is not a necessary byproduct of self-respect.

I’m not saying that self-respect is a bad thing, then, only that self-esteem and self-respect are overlapping concepts that have both been misused from time to time. I’m saying that self-respect, like self-esteem, is a concept the evil one can twist to suit his purposes. We all need to take care, lest we fall.

The doctor wrote this:

*When people speak of their low self-esteem, they imply two things: first, that it is a physiological fact, rather like low hemoglobin, and second, that they have a right to more of it. What they seek, if you like, is a transfusion of self-esteem, given (curiously enough) by others; and once they have it, the quality of their lives will improve as the night succeeds the day. *

Is it not as plain as the nose on a face that anybody who relies on external validation is not looking for more self-esteem? These patients have no idea what they’re asking for! Likewise, the person who really has low self-esteem isn’t going to come to a doctor saying, “I have low self-esteem.” No, that person is going to say, “I don’t have low self-esteem. I really am a worthless excuse for a human being, with nothing to offer anyone. I don’t even know why I’m here. There is no point in trying, because all I ever do is fail.”

So, yes, I would agree that there are “self-esteemists” who have selfishly latched on to the fashionable belief that their psychological health depends on the ability to remain happily and fully wrapped up in themselves. If you are saying there is nothing psychologically let alone spiritually healthy about going around expecting you have a need for external validation that is as real and vital as your need for protein, then of course I agree!

How is this different, though, than the people now running around believing it is healthier for everyone to cut gluten out of their diets and who conclude that a nice tall rum and coke must a better breakfast than whole wheat toast because the latter has gluten in it? Wasn’t it about 20 years ago that dairy products went through the same thing, because some people really are lactose-intolerant? That there are people who don’t even understand the concept of gluten intolerance and wrongly apply the concept to themselves does not mean there are not a few people out there who really do have a medically-demonstrable intolerance for gluten. Likewise, there are people who really do suffer from low self-esteem. When this condition is treated, though, they won’t be more wrapped up in themselves. No, they will become convinced that they really do have service, love, and loyalty that is worth offering to others and that a good God really does want to make them into saints fit for an eternity of bliss with Him, in spite of all the things those not-yet-saints really do have need to recognize, regret, and repent from. That recognition, that proper kind and amount of “self-esteem” is a good thing, not a bad thing.
 
Theodore Dalrymple was not referring to the difference between self-esteem and self-respect. He was referring to patients who come to therapists and try to use the term “self-esteem”…

… That recognition, that proper kind and amount of “self-esteem” is a good thing, not a bad thing.
Eleven days ago, the vet checked my blood pressure: 169/91. Right now, it must be higher! 😦

All i’ve been trying to say is that most people MISTAKENLY/THOUGHTLESSLY use that “E” word instead of “respect”, partially contaminating the proper meaning in the process. Sloppy use of language. Just blindly following others!
That’s it: nothing else!
It’s in the same league as “alternate” when “alternative” is meant.
Or “entitled” when “titled” is meant.
Etc

i’ll stay with those two quotes on Post #13, plus one or two lines at the start of the “Psychology Today” article.

To repeat two lines near the end of that post:
i’m sick of the way the language has been mangled.
Maybe accuracy doesn’t matter anymore, but it does to some of us.

If this keep up, it won’t finish until Doomsday.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. i can’t take any more of this! We’re on different wavelengths. 🤷

“Storm in a teacup.”
 
Eleven days ago, the vet checked my blood pressure: 169/91. Right now, it must be higher! 😦

Maybe accuracy doesn’t matter anymore, but it does to some of us
Yes, I think it is safe to say we disagree and are going to continue to disagree…but “Maybe accuracy doesn’t matter anymore, but it does to some of us”?

Really?

I think there is a clue in there somewhere with regards to the blood pressure, friend. 😉 😃

(Mine is 104/65…)
 
Maybe…being allergic to sheep doesn’t help. 🤷
If by “sheep” you mean people who are being thoughtlessly wrong-headed, I think your blood pressure may require you to develop an immunity.

Even on the road, friend, you’re going make yourself into an old man before your time if you go out expecting that everyone out there will have magically learned to focus on their driving since the last time you were behind the wheel. That is not going to happen. Why be agitated over something that was so entirely predictable?

Learn to accept this sinful world as it is, not as you would have it, as the Serenity Prayer puts it. After all, Our Lord said, “I say to you, whoever is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment, and whoever says to his brother, ‘Raqa,’ will be answerable to the Sanhedrin, and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ will be liable to fiery Gehenna.” (Matt. 5:22)

Heaven is not promised to the accurate, nor to the correct, nor to the self-respecting. Those who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be satisfied, but those who are merciful will be shown mercy and those who are meek will inherit the earth. (Matt. 5:5-7)

Those who get over their allergies to the weaknesses of their brothers and sisters will be shown lower blood pressure, LOL.
 
If by “sheep” you mean people who are being thoughtlessly wrong-headed…
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Has this thread become part of the Mississippi?
“He just keeps rolling along.”

“wrong-headed” is a bit extreme, isn’t it?

You’re wasting your breath with your “counselling”/“sermons”. This is your third go at it. For a start, close-focussing gets difficult when you get older. You’re also putting words into my mouth, and blowing the whole thing out of proportion.** Extrapolating is extremely dangerous, and can lead to violating the Eighth Commandment, in public, on these forums!**. And…

Anyway, a 62yo has already “seen a bit”!!!
In other words, a bit older than a teenager!!!
 
Has this thread become part of the Mississippi?
“He just keeps rolling along.”

“wrong-headed” is a bit extreme, isn’t it?

You’re wasting your breath with your “counselling”/“sermons”. This is your third go at it. For a start, close-focussing gets difficult when you get older. You’re also putting words into my mouth, and blowing the whole thing out of proportion.** Extrapolating is extremely dangerous, and can lead to violating the Eighth Commandment, in public, on these forums!**. And…

Anyway, a 62yo has already “seen a bit”!!!
In other words, a bit older than a teenager!!!
Please explain what you meant to convey by reporting your blood pressure, if not your bodily response to frustration at others? :confused:

If you weren’t referring to people with a wrong-headed idea about self-esteem when you said you were allergic to sheep, please explain what on earth you were talking about? (Allergic to sheep? :confused:)

Truly, you’ve lost me, here. And what does your age have to do with anything? :confused: :confused: :confused:

But yes, we ought to get back to the topic of the thread…

The Catholic Church teaches that while a sense of self-esteem can be false and excessive and a misguided “cult of self-esteem” does afflict certain members of society, including some members of the Church, the Church does not teach that it is immoral to have esteem for yourself or that the concept of self-esteem is spiritually damaging, per se. To the contrary!

Here is just one example of Pope Francis talking to youth about the concept of self-esteem:

Zacchaeus couldn’t see the Master because he was little. Even today we can risk not getting close to Jesus because we don’t feel big enough, because we don’t think ourselves worthy. This is a great temptation; it has to do not only with self-esteem, but with faith itself. For faith tells us that we are “children of God… that is what we are” (1 Jn 3:1). We have been created in God’s own image; Jesus has taken upon himself our humanity and his heart will never be separated from us; the Holy Spirit wants to dwell within us. We have been called to be happy for ever with God!
That is our real “stature”, our spiritual identity: we are God’s beloved children, always. So you can see that not to accept ourselves, to live glumly, to be negative, means not to recognize our deepest identity. It is like walking away when God wants to look at me, trying to spoil his dream for me…
--Pope Francis, from papal homily for World Youth Day, Krakow, July 2016

This is from Pope Benedict, who was talking about the women of Africa, some of whom really may suffer from an unfortunate lack of self-esteem because of the inappropriate treatment coming from others who treat them like second-class persons:
The Church has the duty to contribute to the recognition and liberation of women, following the example of Christ’s own esteem for them (cf. Mt 15:21-28; Lk 7:36-50; 8:1-3; 10:38-42; Jn 4:7-42). Giving women opportunities to make their voice heard and to express their talents through initiatives which reinforce their worth, their self-esteem and their uniqueness would enable them to occupy a place in society equal to that of men – without confusing or conflating the specific character of each – since both men and women are the “image” of the Creator (cf. Gen 1:27).–Pope Benedict, papal exhortation Africae Munus,

So–the answer to the thread’s question is no, the Catholic Church does not teach that the concept of self-esteem is contrary to the faith. The Church simply does not fall into the trap of believing common and damaging misconceptions about it.

So there. All done rolling!
(Right? 😉 )
 
Fourth “sermon”!
It’s your keyboard that’s wearing out, though.
Please explain what you meant to convey by reporting your blood pressure, if not your bodily response to frustration at others? :confused:
The remark about high blood pressure was aimed specifically at you.
If you weren’t referring to people with a wrong-headed "wrong-headed seemed a bit too strong.] idea about self-esteem when you said you were allergic to sheep, please explain what on earth you were talking about? (Allergic to sheep? :confused:)
Stay with your original guess.
Truly, you’ve lost me, here. And what does your age have to do with anything?
Earlier on, you made the condescending remark (among a heap of others):
Even on the road, friend, you’re going make yourself into an old man before your time…
62yo is ALREADY “an old man”. Simple!
(SDAs, when speaking to an audience, often address their listeners as “friends”. Just a bit of trivia.)
Extrapolating my loathing of “self-esteem” to something far wider, AND FALSE, is not on, either.
But yes, we ought to get back to the topic of the thread…
The Catholic Church teaches that while a sense of self-esteem…etc, etc, etc.
So there. All done rolling!
(Right? 😉 )
Words like “pop psychology”, “buzz words”, “psychobabble” are appropriate.

This has degenerated into a farce!
All of this over the incorrect use of one word!
The Gulf of Mexico can’t be far off…barring hurricanes.
(Reminds one of Johnny Horton’s “Battle of New Orleans”: ie “Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.”. A great song, don’t you think?)
 
Fourth “sermon”!
It’s your keyboard that’s wearing out, though.

The remark about high blood pressure was aimed specifically at you.

Stay with your original guess.

Earlier on, you made the condescending remark (among a heap of others):

62yo is ALREADY “an old man”. Simple!
(SDAs, when speaking to an audience, often address their listeners as “friends”. Just a bit of trivia.)
Extrapolating my loathing of “self-esteem” to something far wider, AND FALSE, is not on, either.

Words like “pop psychology”, “buzz words”, “psychobabble” are appropriate.

This has degenerated into a farce!
All of this over the incorrect use of one word!
The Gulf of Mexico can’t be far off…barring hurricanes.
(Reminds one of Johnny Horton’s “Battle of New Orleans”: ie “Down the Mississippi to the Gulf of Mexico.”. A great song, don’t you think?)
Oy vey. Don’t blame me for your high blood pressure. If you pop a gasket when someone disagrees with you, that’s your problem and no one else’s. If you don’t like hearing it from me, then you laid your emotional habits at the wrong doorstep. Things and people who frustrate you are not leaving the planet. You can take a chilly pill or not, but that is up to you and no one else.

This was the OPs original question:
These days,the notion of self esteem has become very popular and is taught to school students etc,but I have also read some Christians say that the concept of self esteem is not a Christian concept.
I think at very least,most people would be in agreement that low self esteem is bad?


The answer to the question is** no, the Church does not teach that “the concept of self esteem is not a Christian concept.”**

That’s all. Question answered. If you want to beat it to death that the concept of self-esteem can be and too often is misused, fine. Have at it. Beat it to death.

If you are trying to say that the Magesterium has ever *once *taught that “the concept of self esteem is not a Christian concept,” you are wrong. I defy you to show us otherwise, because the Church does not now nor has it ever taught that. Lots of bloggers have, but the Church has not.

OK…all done. 👋
 
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