Is the Eucharist the glorified body of Jesus?

[karisue]

This has come up several times on a debate list I’m on. I always thought that the Eucharist was Jesus’ glorified body, but after thinking about it, I thought about Jesus’ words: “…which WILL BE given up for you …” which leads me to believe it is not.

Help!

 

[metal1633]

karisue:

This has come up several times on a debate list I’m on. I always thought that the Eucharist was Jesus’ glorified body, but after thinking about it, I thought about Jesus’ words: “…which WILL BE given up for you …” which leads me to believe it is not.

Help!

Yes. That was easy wasn’t it?

 

[karisue]

yes, both; or yes, it is the glorified body. Either way, can you explain?

 

[Dr.Colossus]

The Eucharist contains the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord Jesus Christ. Since Christ now posesses His glorified Body, for Him to be fully present in the Eucharist, it must therefore be His glorified Body as well. However, in addition to this, it is also Christ’s body as he hung upon the Cross, because it is a re-presentation of His sacrifice. The short answer is that the Eucharist is Christ in His fullness, both His broken Body upon the Cross, and His resurrected Body in Heaven.

 

[The_Barrister]

karisue:

This has come up several times on a debate list I’m on. I always thought that the Eucharist was Jesus’ glorified body, but after thinking about it, I thought about Jesus’ words: “…which WILL BE given up for you …” which leads me to believe it is not.

Help!

It is. Taking the quote out of context confuses the issue.

In Jesus’ words:
Matthew 26:26: “And whilst they were at supper, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke: and gave to his disciples, and said: Take ye, and eat. This **IS ** my body.”
Mark 14:22: “And whilst they were eating, Jesus took bread; and blessing, broke, and gave to them, and said: Take ye. This **IS ** my body.”

And St. Paul’s words:
1 Corinthians 11:24: “And giving thanks, broke, and said: Take ye, and eat: this **IS ** my body, which shall be delivered for you: this do for the commemoration of me.”
I don’t think there’s any other way to read these words.

 

[Dr.Colossus]

The Barrister:

It is. Taking the quote out of context confuses the issue…

…I don’t think there’s any other way to read these words.

I don’t think karisue meant to question whether or not it is the Body of Christ, but rather, which body is it? (pre or post resurrection).

 

[Hananiah]

karisue:

I thought about Jesus’ words: “…which WILL BE given up for you …” which leads me to believe it is not.

It’s a present participle, following a present tense verb. A better translation would be “which IS BEING given up for you.” This would also make sense as the Last Supper was the first mass, and hence was a true and proper sacrifice.

 

[karisue]

Dr. Colossus:

I don’t think karisue meant to question whether or not it is the Body of Christ, but rather, which body is it? (pre or post resurrection).

Indeed, but Barrister’s response did elucidate the issue for me considerably, as St. Paul said the same thing as Jesus AFTER Jesus’ body was glorified. (Or did I misunderstand, Barrister?)

Thanks!

 

[theMutant]

The Eucharist as it has been received ever since His resurrection is certainly been the glorified body of Christ. It is possible that it was also so at the Last Supper (since all things are possible for God) but, contextually speaking, it would seem more likely that it was not. Even if it was not the Glorified Body at the Last Supper, it doesn’t really matter because it was STILL the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of the Lord; the same body that was sitting with them at that same passover meal.

 

[john654]

Hello,

The Last Supper, Calvery and the Resurection is all one event. The Mass. I think that we receive the Glorified Body of Jesus.

John

 

[metal1633]

I am suprised that anyone of you trys to make a distinction between His body before and after His resurrection.

It is the SAME Body. He rose with the same flesh He died with. And THAT is the Body and Blood we partake in.

 

[TheGrowingGrape]

I believe in the Real Presence, and the the Eucharist is Jesus’s body, blood, soul, and divinity. However, I’m not certain that the Eucharist is the “glorified” body.

I say this because my 1949 Baltimore Catechism and Mass No. 3 by Father Connell defines a “glorified body” in a very specific manner. The book states on answer 98c page 55:

“Christ’s glorified body after its Resurrection was not subject to suffering or death; it possessed a certain radiance flowing from the supreme blessedness of His soul; it could move rapidly from place to place, it did not need food or sleep, and it could pass through other bodies.”

So, in reading this, one can say that there several characteristics of a glorified body or glorified state.

1. move rapidly from place to place
2. no need for food or sleep
3. can move through other objects or people.
4. does not suffer
5. glows

My answer would probably be NO initially and YES later???Possibly, the consecrated host is the pre-resurrected/pre-crucified body of Christ. When the priest says, “This is my body, which will be given up for you” the host becomes the crucified body. When the host is broken at “Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us …” the crucified body of Christ dies and “it is finished.”

Christ is crucified at every sacrifice of the Mass. Once we recieve the crucified body of Christ then, perhaps, He is resurrected again, in glory, inside us. That is to say, the host becomes a glorified body after consumption. This could possibly be an explanation for inedia, which is when a person is able to survive only on Holy Communion, negating the need for food. It could also explain mysticism, and the rare phenomenon of bilocation possessed by certain saints of old. This is just my guess. I’m just an optometrist, not a priest. LOL!

Gosh, what a good question!

We also have to remember that every Mass is outside the realm of space and time, and we are reliving the events of Christ’s Passion in order of occurrence, so it is possible that the Consecrated Host is initially the pre-resurrected body and later becomes the Glorified Body, once safely tucked inside a worthy Temple.

It’s a very, very good question. I’ll have to think more on this one!

 

[fisherman_carl]

The eucharist can’t be the glorified body and the fleshly body on the cross at the same time. That would be a logical impossibility. It has to be one or the other. I was told it was the glorified body that we receive in the eucharist. The post above mentions that the glorified body does not suffer. Well, we don’t believe that Jesus suffers when we eat him in the eucharist. So wouldn’t that mean that it is more consistent with the glorified body?

 

[fisherman_carl]

This quote from the usccb talks about the eucharist as it being the glorified body of Christ.

“'Recalling these words of Jesus, the Catholic Church professes that, in the celebration of the Eucharist, bread and wine become the Body and Blood of Jesus Christ through the power of the Holy Spirit and the instrumentality of the priest. Jesus said: “I am the living bread that came down from heaven; whoever eats this bread will live forever; and the bread that I will give is my flesh for the life of the world. . . . For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink” (Jn 6:51-55). The whole Christ is truly present, body, blood, soul, and divinity, under the appearances of bread and wine—the glorified Christ who rose from the dead after dying for our sins. This is what the Church means when she speaks of the “Real Presence” of Christ in the Eucharist. This presence of Christ in the Eucharist is called “real” not to exclude other types of his presence as if they could not be understood as real (cf. Catechism, no. 1374). The risen Christ is present to his Church in many ways, but most especially through the sacrament of his Body and Blood.”

usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/resources-for-the-eucharist/the-real-presence-of-jesus-christ-in-the-sacrament-of-the-eucharist-basic-questions-and-answers.cfm

 

[fred_conty]

Jesus ascended into heaven with a glorified body. What body does he have now in heaven as we discuss this? Then that is the state of his body as it is right now…glorified.

So when the priest says the words at Mass, “this IS my body”, it is his glorified body, the state as it is now.

When Jesus said the words at the first Mass, the Last Supper, “this IS my body”, it is his unglorified human body. For that was the state of his body then.

The question is acedemic for his body is divine, before and after the resurrection, and is all holy in both states being the divine Son of the Father.

Just a thought.

 

[thistle]

I believe in the Real Presence, and the the Eucharist is Jesus’s body, blood, soul, and divinity. However, I’m not certain that the Eucharist is the “glorified” body.

I say this because my 1949 Baltimore Catechism and Mass No. 3 by Father Connell defines a “glorified body” in a very specific manner. The book states on answer 98c page 55:

“Christ’s glorified body after its Resurrection was not subject to suffering or death; it possessed a certain radiance flowing from the supreme blessedness of His soul; it could move rapidly from place to place, it did not need food or sleep, and it could pass through other bodies.”

So, in reading this, one can say that there several characteristics of a glorified body or glorified state.

1. move rapidly from place to place
2. no need for food or sleep
3. can move through other objects or people.
4. does not suffer
5. glows

My answer would probably be NO initially and YES later???Possibly, the consecrated host is the pre-resurrected/pre-crucified body of Christ. When the priest says, “This is my body, which will be given up for you” the host becomes the crucified body. When the host is broken at “Lamb of God, you take away the sins of the world, have mercy on us …” the crucified body of Christ dies and “it is finished.”

Christ is crucified at every sacrifice of the Mass. Once we recieve the crucified body of Christ then, perhaps, He is resurrected again, in glory, inside us. That is to say, the host becomes a glorified body after consumption. This could possibly be an explanation for inedia, which is when a person is able to survive only on Holy Communion, negating the need for food. It could also explain mysticism, and the rare phenomenon of bilocation possessed by certain saints of old. This is just my guess. I’m just an optometrist, not a priest. LOL!

Gosh, what a good question!

We also have to remember that every Mass is outside the realm of space and time, and we are reliving the events of Christ’s Passion in order of occurrence, so it is possible that the Consecrated Host is initially the pre-resurrected body and later becomes the Glorified Body, once safely tucked inside a worthy Temple.

It’s a very, very good question. I’ll have to think more on this one!

When we receive Communion we receive the Risen, Glorified Christ.