Is the Gregorian Calendar wrong?

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There seems to have been signs over history that point to the Gregorian Calendar being incorrect and against the will of God.

Here are a few examples:
  • The Eastern Orthodox Patriarch of Constantinople transitioned to the New Calendar (Gregorian Calendar) in 1923, he also moved Pascha to the New Calendar date. However, the miracle of the Holy Fire did not occur that year according to the New Calendar date in Jerusalem, it occurred at the Old Calendar date. The Holy Fire happens every year to this day on the Old Calendar’s Pascha. It never happens on another date.
  • On the Feast of the Exaltation of the Holy Cross; the celebrants of the New Calendar folks were already finished commemorating the Feast, but 13 days later, those who refused to transition to the New Calendar, were having the Feast according to the ancient calendar. And on that day, a cross appeared in the sky, and it was witnessed by the faithful who were gathered.
Is this an indication that the Gregorian Calendar is wrong?
 
The first example didn’t occur. Do you have a source for the second?

And why would God care how we measure time?
 
As a Catholic, why are you so worried what the Orthodox are doing?
 
Actually, the Julian (old) calendar did not keep track of the Earth’s rotation about the sun as well as the Gregorian calendar does. Between 45 BC and 1752 AD (when it was put into effect in the British empire) the Julian calendar lost 11 days. It does make a difference to agricultural societies at the very least. Not quite the same as English and Metric systems.

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As an Orthodox Christian, I think it’s absolutely silly if an Orthodox Christian argues for the superiority of the Julian Calendar. It’s a fact that the Gregorian Calendar is astronomically more accurate, and which calendar we use is not an article of faith.

Also the “New” calendar some Orthodox have adopted is not the Gregorian Calendar, but the Revised Julian Calendar. So this isn’t even relevant to the Gregorian Calendar. It’s Julian (Old) vs. Revised Julian Calendar (New).
It just so happens that Revised Julian lines up with the Gregorian currently that people assume the New Calendar is referring to the Gregorian when in fact it doesn’t. The Revised Julian Calendar is actually more accurate than the Gregorian Calendar, although they won’t diverge till 2800 AD.

Also there is the miracle of the snakes of Kellafonia. The miracle happens according to the New Calendar.
 
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Kmon23 said:
The Revised Julian Calendar is actually more accurate than the Gregorian Calendar, although they won’t diverge till 2800 AD.
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Yes, and I’d also like to add that the majority of Eastern Catholics use the old Julian Calendar. I think that there are lots of people who like to make mountains out of molehills of this whole calendar issue. Nothing is 100% accurate anyway. Eventually things will need to be revised be it Gregorian, or Revised Julian. The Calendar is for our use, not God’s. He doesn’t need a calendar. The only problem I have with the continued use of the old Julian is that eventually the feasts will no longer be celebrated at the original prescribed times. Christmas will eventually drift into the spring and then the summer months etc… of course this is centuries away but still.
 
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We had a Holy Fire thread here just a couple of weeks ago. I was surprised to see there are people who still believe in it.
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How come the Latin bishops weren't able to ignite the Holy Fire, but Eastern bishops were? Eastern Catholicism
Also, is this proof that the Eastern Orthodox have the correct date for Easter and Catholics don’t? Since this only happens in an EO church on EO’s Easter.
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I’m pretty sure the “Holy Fire” is a result of the “Holy Zippo”. In the event of an infestation of killer rabbits they will no doubt resort to the “Holy Hand Grenade”.
 
Don’t they check the patriarch and the tomb for that though? (white phosphorus, lighters, matches, etc.)
 
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Posts like this are exactly why I left and am leaving again. How is it wrong? What makes the Julian calendar right? Why should I care?
 
As I understand it – though I don’t have specialist knowledge of this and I hope someone will correct me if I’m wrong – the Gregorian calendar is more faithful to Christian tradition than the Julian calendar.

The Council of Nicea, in 325, ruled that Easter was to be celebrated on the Sunday immediately following the first full moon after the spring equinox. The Catholic and Protestant churches, using the Gregorian calendar, follow this rule precisely.* But because of the discrepancy, the Orthodox churches using the Julian calendar sometimes end up celebrating Easter on the Sunday following the second full moon after the spring equinox, failing to fulfill the Nicean calendar rules.

For example, in 2o24, the spring equinox will fall on March 19. The first full moon after that date will be on March 25, and the second full moon on April 23. The Western (Gregorian) Easter will be celebrated on Sunday, March 31, but the Eastern (Julian) Easter not until five weeks later, on Sunday, May 5.

*With the difference that they set the date in accordance with the Ecclesiastical Full Moon rather than the (observed) astronomical full moon. An astronomical lunar month, measured from one new moon to the next, can vary in length from 29 days 7 hours to 29 days 19½ hours. Instead of this fluctuating period, the Churches calculate the date of Easter by the average lunar month of 29.53 days (29 days 12 hours 44 minutes).
 
The Gregorian Calendar is without a doubt more accurate than the Julian. Otherwise England would have never adopted it. They had to be convinced, not adopting it until about 1750- 180 years after Catholic Europe adopted it.
 
When England adopted the Gregorian Calendar in 1752, eleven days were scratched in September of that year.

The people in England rioted demanding those days back.
 
BenSinner said:
There seems to have been signs over history that point to the Gregorian Calendar being incorrect
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The Catholic Gregorian calendar is definitely wrong. The more scientifically accurate calendar is the Orthodox Revised Julian calendar or the Milankovic calendar proposed by the Serbian scientist Milankovic. This Orthodox calendar will coincide with the Gregorian calendar until March 1, 2800.
There are 365.242199 days in a year.
The Catholic Gregorian calendar has on average 365.2425 days in a year
The more accurate Orthodox revised Julian calendar has 365.24222… days in a year.
 
Clearly the metric system is despised by God because it was a product of the so-called ‘Enlightenment’.

God’s preferred system of measurement is cubits and talents.

/sarcasm
 
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AlNg said:
There are 365.242199 days in a year.
The Catholic Gregorian calendar has on average 365.2425 days in a year
The more accurate Orthodox revised Julian calendar has 365.24222… days in a year.
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I have converted your decimals into hours, minutes, and seconds. Can you please confirm that these figures are correct, rounded to the nearest full second?

Mean solar year …… …. …… …… … … ………… …… 365d 5h 48m 46s

Revised (Milankovic) Julian calendar year .… 365d 5h 48m 48s

Gregorian calendar year …… ………… ……. ………. 365d 5h 49m 12s

Unrevised Julian calendar year …… ….… … …… 365d 6h 0m 0s
 
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The Gregorian Calendar is without a doubt more accurate than the Julian.
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Any calendar based on tables will have error. The julian is based, iirc on a 28 year cycle, and the gregorian on a longer cycle.

The Council of Nice specified the observance of Easter to be the Sunday following the full moon following the equinox. The tabled calendars try to reproduce this with varying degrees of success.

While the Gregorian misses more often than the Julian, both (and the revised Julian) are approximations.

Rather than discussing who will adopt the other’s calendar, it would be better fo actually make the observances, which are trivialities today, an duse that. There is no rescues for a table that misses in the 21st century.

The date ofJanuary 1st should also be set by the other dates that should correspond with astronomical events.

This way, noone concedes, noone loses face, and we are not only all together, but together doing it correctly.

hawk
 
There are still some places in the UK which follow the Julian calendar in terms of celebrating festivals.
 
dochawk said:
Rather than discussing who will adopt the other’s calendar, it would be better fo actually make the observances, which are trivialities today, an duse that. There is no rescues for a table that misses in the 21st century.
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My hunch is that any change to the existing formula for calculating the date of Easter would do more harm than good. A few years ago Pope Francis said the Catholic Church would be prepared to accept a fixed Easter, apparently referring to the proposal by some Protestant churches to move Easter to the first Sunday in April.

I suspect that would be divisive. Even if a majority of churches, both in the East and the West, were to officially adopt the new calendar – whatever formula is chosen – there would be a minority on both sides who would insist on sticking with their present system, Julian in one case and Gregorian in the other. The outcome, in practice, would be three different dates for Easter, instead of the present two.
 
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